AlexPU |
= Ukrainian language =
Vitay! Sorry, I hadn t noticed you re a newbie. Welcome to wikipedia and enjoy! The problem I had with your NPOV notice is that at the moment I erased it there was no mention of the dispute: neither at the . So, from my point of view there was no dispute at the time. Remember to state your problem with the article in the discussion before you add a template. The is sort of a last resort when all hope is lost.
Now that you started to use the talk page the warning is where it should be. Perhaps you could even use the 15:54, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)
==one more comment==
Welcome to Wikipeda! A word of unsolicited advice... Your statement in the Ukrainian language topic to an opponent that If you can documentally prove that Ukrainian was being used in USSR in the fields you specify - so do it on the page, cite. And even if you do - your anyway would be lying or misinformed because Sovdepia was purely Byzantine system of lying, hiding and falsing. is equivalent to Prove it, except I m not going to believe you . You won t win many arguments this way, and, as I hope you will find very soon, Wikipedia is NOT about winning arguments. You may find it useful:
Olex, some further advice! What you have just received is generally quite good! It applies to the gentlemen and the honest! However, there is no filter on Wikipedia to obstruct the non-gentlemen and the dishonest! And Wikipedia is far from being a monastery! While people who are honest, even if mistaken, will be repelled by the word, propaganda, there are people here whose interests are simply propaganda. It will be your job to sort out the people you encounter. Don t be so ideological as to think that the tendencdy to propaganda doesn t exist, or that it applies with perfect evenness across nations! Keep your eyes open and be discerning! 03:49, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
::Mr. Shetsen, it was interesting to read your advices. Let me answer you step-by-step citing your writing. :: Your statement in the Ukrainian language topic to an opponent that If you can documentally prove that Ukrainian was being used in USSR in the fields you specify - so do it on the page, cite. And even if you do - your anyway would be lying or misinformed because Sovdepia was purely Byzantine system of lying, hiding and falsing. is equivalent to Prove it, except I m not going to believe you . :::I agree my wording was inaccurate but anyway logic. It is commonly recognized that Soviet regime was systematically hiding and destroying documental evidences of it s illegal policy. E.g. Ukrainian SSR documents on death rates and executions in 1930s are mostly burnt or stored in Moscow. As well as secret CPSU decisions on Russifying higher education in Ukraine. So millions of Ukrainians may not have appropriate documents but they would never agree that nothing happened to them or their relatives. Hovewer, there few other ways to prove that Monedula is wrong (e.g. statistics, foreign reports, comparative analysis of witness testimonies). That s what I meant.
:: NEVER to erase ANYTHING anyone else has put in. ::: That s exactly what your compatriot Monedula is doing. Where have you been intil we put that propaganda into light
:: Change article text turtles fly into X has stated that turtles fly , and make sure the article text draws no conclusions: let the reader decide. If someone erases your own text the sky is blue , reinsert it as Y has observed that under the following conditions, the sky looks blue . ::: No, sir, we must have something to start with. Lawlessness of Soviet regime and its shauvinistic national policy are internationally proven facts. While I let you dispute the statements that Ukraine is a birthplace of elefants or that Alexander the Macedonian was Ukrainian. If someone persistently writes that turtles fly - I will persistently oppose him.
:: NEVER to say or imply My point of view is correct, yours is wrong . NEVER say samething is outrageous. ::: I never did.
:: ALWAYS to avoid politics except in an inherently political argument. :::Since I m a professional political analyst, let me assure you that anything is a political issue. Because politics is a universal system of regulating social relations using mechanisms of state power . Как говорил мой военрук, политика, она везде... Ты девушке в трусы лезешь, обещая на ней жениться - это тоже политика . So I think you re pretty demagogic in this item.
:: NEVER to accuse anyone or anything, no matter how unpopular, of lying or falsifying. By doing so, too many will think YOU are the one lying or falsifying. ::: Again, I never did. What I m accusing Monedula of is a brutal violation of neutrality rule.
:: NEVER use the word propaganda. :::No, sir, I will. Propaganda is a sholar term, not an offensive jargonism. And let us call cat a cat.
:: NEVER to say this ideology is wrong . You may find it offensive; others find yours equally so. Let ALL ideologies live side by side. :::My fight against Monedula has nothing to do with ideologies. Read my writings thoroughly and you won t find that. Except one: the Wikipedia ideology of neutrality.
::And most important. As I understand, all your advices are regarding my discussion notes, not contributions. So I don t think you should dispute those notes. ::Also, please apply your vision of policy to other WIkipedians too. Be neutral and universal. ::Anyway, thank you for advice. Best wishes,
=Edits to Georgiy Gongadze and the Sluzhba Bezpeky Ukrayiny pages=
Hi Alex. I think there might be some confusion over my edits to the above pages. On my talk page, you expressed concern that some of my edits introduced factual errors to the entries in addition to grammatical and spelling corrections You don t seem to have fixed the problems you found with my edits and you didn t indicate what it was that I did wrong. Can you please just give me some idea of the problems with either of them because it has me absolutely puzzled Apart from possibly breaking some links, I m quite sure I made no factual editing particularly since I have no position or even background on the issue. Upon review, I can see I haven t fixed all the grammar but I can assure you what I did do was grammatically impeccable although it may not seem like it to a non-native speaker. Best regards though and I hope you can help clear up the confusion. 06:11, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
:Gest, the most important error was deleting the word supposedly regarding the voice of president Leonid Kuchma (SBU article). This is a key issue of that scandal as well of modern Ukrainian history. If you study that case thoroughly, you ll see the difference. Stating that Kuchma did say those words would lead us to question why he is not yet arrested and convicted by Ukrainian or US authorities. No court has yet ruled the authenticity of Mel nychenko s tapes. Remember that nobody is guilty unless convicted. :Your edit on Georgiy Gongadze is less problematic. I actually meant two local languages: Ukrainian and Russian. It can be seen from the subsequent text. :Actually, I also doubt your using of overseas instead of abroad but that s not a problem worth fixing. Generally, I find some of your grammar edits too academic for web English so I woudn t follow it. Let me assure you that I know the rules but don t like using them as well as milions of native speakers :). In short, I agree with the majority of your edits. :I d appreciate your checking all my contributions for possible serious mistakes (like those I made in original SBU text). Best regards, : Forgot to tell everybody that I contempt Mr.Kuchma deeply. So please do not consider me as advocate of his dignity (despite the fact that he s elected head of my country). Those familiar with Ukrainian politics would probably understand the reason of making this remark.
::Ahh, now I understand. To avoid making unproven allegations, it is necessary to hedge with supposedly . You are correct and the distinction must be made. The problem is that supposedly is still grammatically incorrect in that context and sounds bizarre and confusing to a native speaker and subsequently counterproductive to the goal of the article. In this case, I would suggest; publishing numerous supposed records of the President s secret conversations and calls . Web English might be OK for these talk pages, blogs or in chatrooms but it is completely unacceptable for an encyclopædic style whether it is on the web or not. Correct English, (or Ukrainian, German or any other language) with all its rules, is the objective for the articles here so even though you don t like using it, you ll need it to write a good Wikipedia article.
::Also, the issue with abroad/overseas is worth addressing as you are unclear on why the change was made. True, both are adjectives as well as adverbs but only overseas is correct in the attributive position. However, I should have been bolder and rewrote it as, including spying on both Ukrainian opposition politicians and German television journalists outside Ukraine .
::I m sorry my edits strike you as academic but I am an academic and value clear, concise writing because I make my living with it. Consequently, I appreciate your invitation to proofread further contributions from you. For various reasons, I think Eastern European related articles are an important area for Wikipedia to expand upon and your input will obviously be invaluable and more authoritative if it is well written in a formal style. :: 16:08, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Alex!
I don t know how to reformat these things, but as you spot particular problems, I will work on you with them, even if I have to learn to do it!
Why don t you propose a p[lan of attack
I would also propose some links and explanations for old gubernia names, and for old region names, like podillia, Slobodzhanshchyna, etc. 03:16, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Alex,
The Kyiv page looks great. Let me know when the regions page is redone. I ll loointo redirect techniques. Genyo 15:32, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Ok, sport, I ve tried to edit without any change of content! Let me know! Genyo 00:47, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hey, Alex! I ve tried to edit what you wrote for grammar only! Let me know what you think! Genyo 00:56, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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02:24, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
= Subdivision of Ukraine =
Hi Alex. I noticed you re making a real article about oblasti, etc. How can I help Building a navbox, maybe Cheers. — 18:49, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)
::Yes Michael, it would be great. I really need help with navboxes and redirects. Also, I ve messed a little at Cherkasy page and failed to correct :(. Would you please revert it to previous state for a while As you ve seen, I made a general article for these things ( 09:44, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
::: I ve already fixed the name at Cherkas ka. It looks like your browser tried to send Unicode but Wikipedia assumed ISO-Latin. I m glad to help with the table -- let me know how. — 22:13, 2004 Sep 21 (UTC)
Hi alex. I posted your first table at .
Okay. It s done now. I m checking for redundant or circular redirects. I added some redirects, which might have to be updated later:
Whew!—I simplified about 30 double-redirects and updated a whole bunch of links. Updated the links in . I left a few links with different names, where the context seemed to dictate it (e.g. a couple of links to Zaporozhye in Russian-oriented articles on Crimean history).
There are still many links to the old names like 20:58, 2004 Sep 23 (UTC)
PS: how does this look Still needs some work, but an improvement.
Alex,
I ve started to expand the stub for the Chernihivs ka obalst . Please feel free to edit!
00:46, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
PS Thank you for working on the elections! Dai nam Bozhe volyu! Slava Ukrayini!
::Glad to see you back, Genyo.
=Map of Ukarine=
Hello AlexPU, I understand your english without (bigger) problems. I only forgot too many words in written english. I can speak quite well, but writing is my problem. So I will translate the map within some days to an english version. That s not a big work, but I ll please you to take a look on the version and give me some help. -- 16:31, 2004 Sep 28 (UTC)
Did you see the other versions # # # -- 16:39, 2004 Sep 28 (UTC) :I did a first english version. -- 18:17, 2004 Sep 28 (UTC)
::Map looks great! Thank you. But let me point at two little bugs: misspelling of Ternopil and Chernihiv (see list just below your map). Would you correct them Best wishes, 12:01, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC) :Thanks, I ll fix that tonight (UTC) -- 12:33, 2004 Sep 30 (UTC) I fixed the bugs (I hope all). Some days ago I insert this map in the ukraine article but it was taken off very fast. Anyway, if you like to get some version with highlighed oblasts, just tell me. -- 21:39, 2004 Sep 30 (UTC)
= List of cities in Ukraine =
Hi Alex. I gave your history section a quick copy-edit; I ll have another look when I have a bit more time, but I think it looks okay. Good work.
Have a look at . Please have a look, and correct/add/delete as necessary. When we re done, I ll merge the results into that page.
— 17:40, 2004 Oct 3 (UTC)
::Downloaded all pages you mentioned for further analysis. Thanks for Kyiv history. Pryvit. 20:43, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
moving this discussion to 04:39, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
= WikiProject Ukrainian Subdivisions =
Hi Alex. I ve gone ahead and created 04:11, 2004 Oct 4 (UTC)
= moving causes double redirects =
Please fix all double-redirects listed at 17:06, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
:: I got these, Alex. — 20:46, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)
:::Sorry guys. I actually did check for redirects, but decided that the article in question should be in that list.
= Ukrainian presidential elections =
I did a bit of editing in the candidates articles, and at 06:41, 2004 Nov 10 (UTC)
= Edits to NKVD =
Before threatening to accuse something in POVism, I suggest to look into person s history of edits. In this particular case, I am one of the few who systematically adds factual articles about political repressions in the USSR and maintains the consistency of the 17:35, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
=Good work on the Cassette Scandal article!=
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Good job. 12:25, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
=And also on the UBK article!=
and update the DYK template yourself after reading the rules there.
=police=
i dont know if your are aware, but you deleted the police page. be carefull with your edits. 13:18, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
::Surely I din t mean to. And I ve no idea how did it happen. Anybody has Web experts Cause this is not the first time when I m accused in misterious deleting.
= Ukrainians in space =
Hi Alex. On a whim, I created and populated :Will do my best, Michael. Pryvit,
::Take a look at NKAU and its talk.
= Category problems =
But you re a lucky guy - I ve tried to create already two new categories and no freaking effect so far. Would you take a look when not so busy ::* ::*
:: You don t really have to create category pages, as such. Just put a new category link at the bottom of an article. Then go to that category, which now has your article in it, and put one or more category links to parent categories in there. The new category is now part of the hierarchy. — 2005-01-22 16:54 Z
:: One more thing: when the category is still an orphan, the links above generate a URL that goes to the page for editing. But you can still manually type or paste the URL into your browser, and see the page (e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Non-combat_accidents_involving_military).
=Khotyn uprising (1919)=
I think you should be interested to take a look at the 06:55, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
= Fantastic idea! =
Hi,
Good job man! That was a great idea to create 19:33, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
= =
I ve replied on 20:34, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)
= Tobias COnradi s unacceptable actions on oblasti pages =
I cannot revert. Oblast is not english. Please look on other countries (not Russia) where else do we use non-english terms Privet 07:19, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If someone has another opinion than you, you call him asshole 07:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Where do you think is the best place to discuss the naming of province/oblast 07:42, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
::If someone is defiantly ignoring the Wiki ethics and objections from other Wikipedians, and refusing to discuss his edits, I call him an asshole. And today s asshole seems to be To-o-o-bias Conradi!
::At this stage, you got no moral right to discuss anything. You had your chance after my first polite reprimand. Now you re discredited - at least for some time. If you re concerned with the naming of province/oblast, please ask some tolerant and co-operative Wikipedian to back your opinion and fulfill all necessary discussion procedures. And please, don t rename anything more.
:::WikiEthics are Be bold. I stopped renaming, but had to rename until K starting from Z. Because I was allready in some K. So now we know oblasts pages from K-Z all have been moved. You call Would you stop renaming oblast until you freaking hear the objections of other Wikipedians polite And than after 7 minutes giving me an 24h-ultimatum Maybe I have seen your first message only short moments before
I stop renaming for now and would really like to talk about it. Tell me where Privjet from Berlin. 
08:37, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
: An appropriate place to discuss this would be , which you may have noticed was linked from the top of each oblast s talk page. Please calm down, people. I ve only noticed this debate now. Would someone summarize on that talk page
: Oblast is indeed an English word, at least [http://dictionary.reference.com/searchq=oblast according to the American Heritage Dictionary]. — 2005-03-4 16:09 Z
::I have never been on any oblast talk page. Thanks telling that oblast might be english, but what about oblast as it was written 07:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
In the german WP we also use the word Oblast . Tobias should not try to move the oblast-articles in de:WP. -- 07:46, 2005 Mar 5 (UTC) :You are talking nonsense - I never tried anything with de:WP 07:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::Wenn du dir die Mühe machen würdest zu verstehen: Tobias should not try ist Future. -- 13:16, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
:::My fight against Tobias was purely the matter of ethics (and not the question of content) - as well as my other Wikiconflict with Russian propagandists. If a guy is renaming 25 typical and large-subject articles without any discussion, fighting the wide-spread Wikipedia term, he deserves a massive censure. And I m eager to repeat such actions against every other defiant vandal (no matter how much time would I spend for it). If Tobias voluntarily reverted his own (those still unreverted) changes, it would be the best demonstration of his tolerance, co-operativeness and contributing objectivity.
:::As for the essence of the oblast question, I m always ready to discuss the possible changes to oblast pages. I m going to do that
=Ukrain city maps=
Hi Alex, I invite you to find out the best basic ukrain map to show the position of cities. We discuss 06:58, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC) :Sorry, I try to explain: We try to find a construct to represent Ukrainian cities. The first point is to find a map to point the position of a city (independently if it s actually on it s correct place). We thought about oblasts with named cities first. That has the disadvantage that you only can use it in the deWP. And the oblasts are not useful to orientate. So we discuss now, if we shouldn t use simple maps of Ukraine only with dots on them. That would have the advantage, that we could store the images at commons and all WPs can use them in their language. And they would have a similar look (like the 23:22, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)
= Navy Expert =
I would like to work with you on articles about 15:30, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I d also be pleased to help, with English/American terminology and usage etc. 19:46, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)
:Thank you guys. I m fastening my preparations for the joint attack. For the start, I suggest both of you (especially the professional Epopt) to consider where could you harvest the info on particular ships of the Soviet/Ukrainian (and also, if you want, Russian) navies. I mean there must be some English -language military guides (Jane s or what is it called) where you can find the: :*old Soviet names and codes as well as the new codes (or what the digit labels on the boards are called) :*the types of particular ships and their NATO classification :*any other relevant info (where and when she was built, history, pictures etc.)
:To refine your search, I m preparing the list of the actual ships with their Ukrainian names (judging by mostly media sources). Also, I m going to clarify the history, personalia&ranks and bases (however, bases and ports may be also best accesible to you through international navy guides). Best wishes,
:Hi Epopt. I ve tried to look into Jane s. there s a lot of info there, and it seems to be largely pay-only. So I need some time (and hepl may be) to harvest something here.
:By labes I meant the digit-letter combinations painted on the boards of the surface ships. Not sure for subs. I guess that combination is unique and important. Isn t it
:Yes, Ukraine possess a small old diesel sub named comand demonstrates the willing to operate it someday.
:Thanks for the first help.
I have added a tiny amount to your stub about Ukraine s submarine, and I ll add more as I research it. 23:16, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
= DYK =
Just so you know. Since we re on the English wikipedia here, 13:23, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)
= Arsenal =
Hi Alex, please look at the note I left at the Arsenal Mutiny article talk page. Also, may I suggest you to avoid using Kyiv in Wikipedia as the primary name of the city. I understand that you may want to promote the usage of Kyiv by using it yourself. But at Wikipedia, I think, the choice of the term should reflect the current usage rather than promote some terms over the others. Regards, 07:12, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
Alex, I am responding to the note you left at my talk page. I don t have a big problem with FC Arsenal called either way. Save few exceptional cases, I usually don t go to the page just in order to change a single term when it is as contentious as Kiev/Kyiv. Mostly, I only do this change in the course of some other page edits. Unlike when used for the name of the city itself in English WP, the argument you made for the FC name has merit and I am happy to have it the way you changed it back.
I don t feel good, though, about the tone of the note you left at my talk page and about your calling my edits outrageous. Please don t become short-tempered when you disagree with others. I work on all articles in good faith and I don t think I deserved to be addressed in such a tone. Now, lets put this matter behind and go back to business of improving the WP. Please don t take this personally, but I think your should reconsider your usage of Kyiv for the name of the city in your edits. I left a note on the talk page of one of the articles and there is enough said on this heated discussion elsewhere. Please note, that I agreed with your moving the Irpen river article into Irpin, which I think made perfect sense for today s day. You may notice, that I created the article a while ago, and now I would have created it as Irpin as well. I hope, our discussions will remain civil, and I really appreciate your contributions to WP, including those I disagree. 22:34, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
:Apologies presented for the tone - it really was an emotional pre-emptive attack. I m glad you recognize the essence of my objection regarding the football club. Best wishes, 20:45, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
=Chersones=
Hi Alex, I m looking for a picture or scan of an 1 Griwna banknote to use in the article about Chersones (Sewastopol). Do you have an idea -- 19:47, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)
:Elya left this on my talk-page: Alex, where are you living and what driver do you need I ll be in Ushhorod in May and could bring you something on CD 
- if this is not too late. -- 19:56, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot, Elya&Steschke. I m a Kyivite, and, unfortunately, not going to visit Uzhhorod in foreseeable future. Actually, I m looking for a CD ( with an HP Scanjet 6200 driver. If I don t get that from my friends or acquaintances - hope to buy it at the something CD:) (I got your humor) market. But anyway, thanks for readiness to help.
::BTW, Elya, I see you ve done a great Ukraine-related job there at De:Wikipedia (judging from the titles I can somehow understand from German). Best wishes, 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC).
:: Unfortunately, I m leaving for an approximately month-long 21:05, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
::: Best wishes to you during your leave, Alex. Thanks for all your hard work and knowledgeable contributions around here. Cheers, 2005-03-20 21:48 Z
= Dropped in for a minute =
Hi everybody. I dropped in for a minute - just to see what s happening in this great project. Unfortunately, I m still on Wikibreak and have no time/energy for contribiting. Sorry if I didn t answer someone s message.
However:
*I can now scan and send some not very large Ukraine-related images (since I have a scanner). E.g., Sven Teschke requested a bank note scan.
*I ve got a large multimedia collection depicting our Orange Revolution (TV newscasts&footages, animated clips, photos, photodesign, scanned leaflets, music etc.) Some of this stuff is copyrights-free or anonimous. If someone would like to post it at the respective Wiki pages - I can also send it.
So, people, if you need my help with some particular non-lasting tasks - please E-mail me.
Best wishes, 12:02, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
P.S. If someone is interested in my experience, I do miss Wikipedia, but without any addiction suffering. My work pressure keeps me far from even thinking about writing something more :(( But I miss English very much. WP was the only place where I could use it. Hope I will return to editing someday.|
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