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Articles for deletion/Time Cube

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below 23:17, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

==Time Cube==

: For the January 2004 and February 2004 prior VFD discussions of this article, see . Patent nonsense. Not only is it an article about fringe original research, but at least one of its anonymous proponants has been using it as a platform to insert Time Cube nonsense into other sensible and useful articles like 10:51, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC) *Comment There have been many votes to keep with a clean up to better reflect Time Cube as an internet phenomenon and remove the original research in line with Wikipedia. I have attempted such a clean up which has significantly slimmed the article. Could anyone seeking a clean up of the article please review my version and edit or expand on it as necessary. Thanks. 22:57, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep, has a cult following. VfD is not vandalism control. 11:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) **I will admit, though, that 90% of the article violates the original research policy. The article ought to be about a funny web site, not the secrets of the universe. *Keep! We must not allow Evertype s obscurantist agenda to silence the Cubic Truth of the Universe. 12:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) **This is, surprisingly, the user s first edit. -- 02:12, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) ***Gene hasn t yet used all 65536 possible IP addresses in that range. See below. 23:55, 2005 Apr 27 (UTC) ****To my knowledge, Gene hasn t used any of them at all. See below. 09:33, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)) *Delete. Borders on patent nonsense, notability not established. 12:22, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep. Ignore the trolls and vandals; this is a well-known web phenomenon. Gene Ray was invited to speak at MIT on his theories. 12:39, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) **... and clean up. Concur with Gazpacho; the article needs to be more about Time Cube as a web phenomenon and less about the actual research, perhaps with just a summary of the claims rather than a blow-by-blow analysis. 12:50, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) *keep, even though people will probably find this theory laughable in all, um, corners of the planet. (Or should that be all quarters) 12:44, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Delete. 13:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to 13:28, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep in the strongest possible terms. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Time_Cube/Delete Here] are archives of the past two times this article has been nominated for deletion and kept. There has to be an end of this sometime. -- 13:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • **Perhaps there will be, when this crap is deleted. I can t imagine anyone with serious NPOV fixing this monstrosity. 17:37, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC) *Delete as lawful stupid. 13:24, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Cleanup and Keep Someone needs to take a hatchet to the text. It s wrong in so many ways. 15:02, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *A well-known Internet phenomenon. Keep, but trim drastically - at the moment it is a promotional of crackpottery. Alternately, merge some of the contents to 16:37, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) **I believe that the trimming has gone a bit too far. If this is to be the final version, it should be merged to 19:02, 2 May 2005 (UTC) *Keep (because of previous VfDs). Do a cleanup (it is way too big and too hard to read). Block the 211.28.xxxx vandalizing 16:49, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Delete patent nonsense. *Keep -- and rewrite. - 17:07, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) **You volunteering to rewrite it Good for you! 17:41, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC) ***Comment: Keep and cleanup is a perfectly legitimate vote, even if the voter is unwilling and/or unable to do the rewrite. Please don t disparage it. 20:20, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) ***Comment: No, I m voting on keeping the article, and suggesting a rewrite. I d heard of Time Cube long before I d heard of Wikipedia. This site has gained some notoriety, even if the content is considered a notch above or below crankworthy. If I had the time or inclination to rewrite the article, I d have done so. As is stands, I m simply letting others know I feel it s worth keeping, once improved. From there, the community can muster up all the improvements it likes. I never said I d come back to visit the article at all. -- 06:09, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Delete - or shorten it down very much so only essence would remain and thus removing original research. 18:08, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Redirect to 18:45, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep and clean up this article about some very orginal research. 19:18, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • keep, but maybe shorten Only because this poor, sorry soul and his bizzare ramblings have developed a cult following ( Cult as it would apply to the 19:22, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • *Keep, and let people know on 20:19, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) *Keep. While the article as it currently stands is by no means an ideal article (or even a decent one), Time Cube is definitely a worthy topic for inclusion within Wikipedia. Definitely needs to be cleaned up. 21:18, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC) *Keep. Very well-known internet kookery, gets 22,000+ Google hits. -- 22:43, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep. No original opinions. -- 22:50, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Merge with 23:28, 2005 Apr 26 (UTC) *Merge perhaps a few sentences to 23:40, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep. Highly informative article with a lot of references. A lot of time was put into creating this useful article. -- 01:35, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) **User has 25 edits.
  • (Removed personal attack by .)
    • *Keep an eye on it for vandals (to other articles). It might be nonsence, but people believe it. 23:48, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep. Time Cube is maybe the best known Internet crank in existence. Definitely encyclopedic. 00:44, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep. Time Cube kicks ass. 01:26, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep. Gene Ray kicks ass. 23:55, 2005 Apr 27 (UTC)) **Anon votes are generally discounted on VfD. ** *Keep. We rightly have an article on 02:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Patent nonsense. -- 02:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Gene Ray. 02:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • *Delete or redirect to Gene Ray. Nonsensical original research 04:15, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep, notoriety and notability. 04:50, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep, and add a disclaimer at the top. All such bullshit articles need a proper disclaimer. 05:22, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) 23:55, 2005 Apr 27 (UTC)) **Anon votes are generally discounted on VfD. *Keep. Needing cleanup is not reason to delete a valid encyclopedic article. Time Cube is kook science, but it is notable, well-known and oft-reported kook science. (Or maybe I have been educated stupid...) 05:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Delete non-notable 06:12, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Delete Time Cube is a cute webpage, but not that notable an covered by the Gene_Ray article which is the sensible place. Make it a redirect to Gene_Ray if you need to keep it. 23:55, 2005 Apr 27 (UTC)) *Keep but with reservations, nedds some serious cleanup, puls addtional views from outside sources on the subject, ie to why it would not be pratical from some kegit sources, if any would be nice. -- 07:06, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) Vote Withdrawn *If this cannot be cleaned up, delete. But the topic clearly is worth an article, this article just is not good enough. -- 07:07, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC) *Keep and cleanup. -- ) 07:34, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *I smell a sock. Nevertheless this seems a notable enough hoax to be kept, but requires heavy cleanup. 09:31, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC) *Speedy Keep 14:18, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Keep Completely noteable. I ve seen Ray on Tech Tv. Even if the Timecube theory is fringe and quack physics, it still is a noteable theory in that it is popular. An encylopedia s purpose is to provide a summary of a certain noteable piece of information, and this article does that. --
  • Keep but cleanup. 14:46, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete or Cleanup I know many here simply want the page to be cleaned up, but I suggest those people read the 16:11, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • The practical choice is to allow the article s NPOV to remain, and not make baseless accusations of auxiliary sites being parodies and other such prejudiced remarks. Maybe you re talking about the choice that is practical for censoring Truth and forcing Academian beliefs upon readers.Note that 09:33, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC))
  • Strong Keep but cleanup. We d be lax not to have this. -- 17:11, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, and Evertype needs a new hobby. His persistence in banning Time Cube from Wikipedia is beyond reasonable. Methinks he doth protest too much. 17:44, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
    • **Err, Evertype is only responsible for this VfD, not the previous two. Seems like a perfectly reasonable action to me. 00:30, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC) *Reminds me of 23:06, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) *If you look at the (long) edit histories of this article and of 23:55, 2005 Apr 27 (UTC)
  • Uncle G, why is it that you are engaging in unfounded ad hominem attacks instead of addressing the actual content of the articles As I have pointed out many times, I am not Gene Ray; and it seems to me that contrary to the conduct that should be adopted by a useful and productive Wikipedia user, you are intent on taking sides and fighting against users whom you dislike. This results in the quality of the actual content being overlooked and compromised. Again, you need to focus less on conspiracy theories against users such as myself, and more on the actual content of Wikipedia articles. 09:33, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC))
  • Comment as far as I can tell (reading he archived discussions etc.) 211.28.*.* is not Gene Ray, but rather the author of the parody/troll site [http://www.cubicao.tk CubicAO]. Read any of the interviews with Gene Ray and this ought to be clear. Effectively this Wikipedia page has been overtaken by trolls who are using it to promote their own parody/troll site for their own amusement. Anyone who cares to read the discussion page and use the Wayback machine can trace the development of this particular trolling effort. I ve attempted to clean up the article. Please edit or extend, or at the least drop a word of support for the edits into the 00:09, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Cheradenine, [http://www.cubicao.tk CubicAO] is a serious site; and if you have legitimate objections to the content of article 09:33, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC))
    • *Keep, but only if we all pitch in and maintain an encyclopedic, cleaned-up verison. 08:03, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Comment: 211.28.24.43 [Gene] has already started the edit war over the cleaned up version by 09:07, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • started It has been going on for over a year. Speaking as one of the editors who has from time to time over the past months neutralized or fixed 211.28.*.* modifications to 10:37, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
  • keep. Time cube is an exemplary crank page (I ought to get round to adding time cube to slashdot subculture) and by definition worthy of note. Of course, we ought to be vigilant about maintaining NPOV here.
  • Strong Keep - While Time Cube is kookery, it is extremely famous kookery. Just because it attact trolls does not detract from its fame and consequential notability. -- 15:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Clean up and Keep I think the clean up that s been done is good, and as long as there is a good watch set on the article to keep trolls from messing it up again it is worth keeping. 17:09, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep or redirect to 00:59, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
    • *Obvious and strong keep Definatly notable enough. Two previous VFDs people! 02:49, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC) *Keep, very relucantly, but only if the article is made much shorter. Gene Ray is a notable crank, but the article is far too long relative to the very minimal importance of his kookery. 05:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) **Why Are we running out of paper or something If the article is kept then I don t see why it should be made shorter.
  • Keep: The article was repaired nicely and should be kept.
  • After reading the article, I still have no idea what the damn thing is, other than some sort of website with some unusual content. 23:50, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
    • *keep as an article on a kooky website (Category:Internet culture, not Category:Pseudo-science). 08:33, 2 May 2005 (UTC) *Keep already survived two vfds, let it rest. 09:06, 2 May 2005 (UTC) *Keep. Let it rot, uh... rest. 10:10, 2 May 2005 (UTC) *Keep, you must establish a Chair of Wisdom to empower Wise Men over the stupid intelligentsia, or perish. -- 12:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC) *Keep. Famous internet crank. If this deletion request is according to deletion policy, then deletion policy needs fixing - 19:35, 2 May 2005 (UTC) *Keep, very notable on the Internet. A distinction needs to be made between whether an article is patent nonsense or the article s subject is patent nonsense. 15:51, 4 May 2005 (UTC) *Keep 19:54, 6 May 2005 (UTC) *Keep as trolltrap -- I don t put out a baited mousetrap because I want to attract mice to my house; but I do want to attract mice in my house to the trap. — 07:47, 2005 May 7 (UTC) *Keep However 08:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC)* *Keep Gene Ray is my hero. : This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer live . Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant live pages. Please do not edit this page