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Categories for deletion/Log/2005 August 11

==11 August==

=== ===

no consensus (keep) -- 12:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Analogous to , swop perhaps

  • bus companies would be better. Merge, anyway. 10:30, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • *Keep. The bus companies category is a subset of the category for bus transport. — 12:33, August 12, 2005 (UTC) *Question Is it a common practice to keep a sub-cat like this -- 16:11, 12 August 2005 (UTC) **Like what We have very many subcats so that is not in itself a problem. - 19:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep (i.e. do not rename). To rename would change the meaning when the meaning is clear as it is. Buses and the companies that run them are not the same thing. - 19:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep though both would probably do better under something like 22:39, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep -- 14:04, 13 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 21:51, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    merge -- 13:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    A duplicate of 07:07, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Since those are rather obscure words, a soft cat redirect would be useful. 10:30, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Delete. Deleted before official close. 08:33, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    Created by an anon user, not needed as notable articles for the University can go in 00:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, overcat. 10:30, August 12, 2005 (UTC) *Delete per above. - 19:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete - A quite erroneous category that could be deleted without any disbenefit.-- 20:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, 21:55, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. No argument. 22:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete as per Spinboy. 18:30, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Rename. 08:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    Change needed to comply with 22:38, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename, do not use abbrev. 10:30, August 12, 2005 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 22:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Delete. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Category%3AExotic+meson Deleted] prior to close. 08:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    This category had only one article, Exotic meson. When I reorganized the particles categories on July 25th, and asked for comments, on 21:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

    *Delete. No argument. 22:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Non-controversial and with tacit stamp of approval from guiding WikiProject. 00:36, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Delete. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Category%3AExotic+baryon Deleted] prior to close. 08:39, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    This category had only one article, Exotic baryon. When I reorganized the particles categories on July 25th, and asked for comments, on 21:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

    *Delete. No argument. 22:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Non-controversial and with tacit stamp of approval from guiding WikiProject. 00:40, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Delete. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Category%3A2005%2C+August+2%3ADied Deleted] prior to close. 08:41, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    Category exists only for the death of one person. Information here can be merged back to the main article for Jay Hammond, and this category removed. 21:26, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Potential speedy, seems to me the editor meant to link to 10:30, August 12, 2005 (UTC) *I ve moved the text into the Jay Hammond article, and unlinked that article from this category, leaving it now empty. 16:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete -- Reinyday, 22:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    rename -- 13:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    Speed rename - 21:12, August 11, 2005 (UTC) *Do not speedy and do not rename per nom. The Oxford English Dictionary [http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50251169single=1&query_type=word&queryword=thinktank&first=1&max_to_show=10] (subscription needed) wants it to be hyphenated i.e. think-tank. And yes, I know the article doesn t have a hyphen but that doesn t make it right! So rename to 19:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC) **If this is the case, please put in to rename the article as well. This is a case where it s important to be consistent. 22:23, 12 August 2005 (UTC) ***[http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionarybook=Dictionary&va=think+tank&x=0&y=0 Merriam-Webster] has it as two words, not hyphenated. Is this possibly a British vs. American spelling distinction In any case, thinktank is just plain wrong. -- 22:34, August 13, 2005 (UTC) *Comment the usage of hyphens in words varies in the word usage, as well as area; see http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000127.htm, for some examples. If you do a google search for think-tanks , it auto converts the search to think tanks . Also, wiki has an article 09:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Merge. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Category%3ASport Deleted] prior to close. 08:56, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    The 4 articles in this category were probably meant to be in 20:42, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

  • CategoryRedirect to Category:Sports 16:07, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
    • *Merge to 19:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge to sport, as above.-- 21:29, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    no consensus (keep) -- 13:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    Although I realize that these aren t inherently the same thing (not all vocalists are singers; some are rappers, etc.), in practice they just duplicate each other. People are also often filed in one (or sometimes both ) of these categories when a subcategory such as 20:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge & add a cat redir. 10:30, August 12, 2005 (UTC) *Major cleanup, or else, perhaps, merge both into category:vocalists and singers (or category:singers and vocalists), and keep both as redirects. — 16:33, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    merge into news agencies -- 13:18, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    I think it s the same content as 17:54, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *I personally think News Agencies is more direct that Wire services . -- 18:02, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Agree with Kbdank. 10:30, August 12, 2005 (UTC) *Reverse merge 10:27, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge into 19:47, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge into 11:46, 14 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge into 12:35, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Speedy delete. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Category%3ADutch+carthographers Speedied] prior to close. 08:44, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    Empty; duplicates 17:42, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Speedy delete according to rules for CfD. 02:14, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Speedied. -- 17:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    rename -- 13:23, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    Because the 16:31, August 11, 2005 (UTC) *Rename per nominator. That s an interesting subtelty, and the propsal is much more precise. - 18:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename as suggested. Consistent with similar articles.-- 04:00, 2005 August 12 (UTC) *Merge with 22:28, 12 August 2005 (UTC) :Comment The sixth paragraph of the current 23:07, August 12, 2005 (UTC) :: Comment :The exceptions listed are :::Good question. Mixed ethnic groups are difficult to classify, and I don t have a conclusive answer for you. As a point to consider, the Métis people (Canada) are a mixed ethnic group in Canada who are recognized in the Constitution of Canada as Aboriginal peoples in Canada .

    :::In relation to the proposed renaming, I ve found that there are additional 23:56, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

    ::::Comment. Re question whether 02:57, 2005 August 15 (UTC)

    === ===

    Rename 08:27, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    i believe that this category should be renamed to Personages of the Three Kingdoms because

    *While i do agree that in popular Chinese literature and culture, the people living in the Three Kingdoms period were generally known as heroes , regardless of their achievements or characters. However, it is unacceptable to term them so here because Wikipedia is not a fiction or novel, it is academic.

    *Secondly, some people living during that period such as Elder and Younger Qiaos (see Elder Qiao and Younger Qiao) who are not considered heroes even in folklore are also listed under this category. Shouldn t the term personages be more all-encompassing then

    *Thirdly, both the Chinese and Japanese Wikipedias use terms roughly translated to Personages of the Three Kingdoms (see ) and the French... well the French have a problem of their own. :p

    Noting that a CFD had previously been conducted and the decision reached was keep, i raised the issue again in the discussion page of the category on 21 Apr, but no one responded since. Therefore i now propose renaming of the abovesaid category and open it for a second round of votes. -- 13:02, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to Three Kingdoms characters (for consistency). 13:28, August 11, 2005 (UTC) **Sorry. Consistent with what Please clarify. -- 14:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC) **That makes no sense. It d be like saying World War II characters True, Douglas MacArthur was a character, but George Marshall wasn t. 18:34, 11 August 2005 (UTC) ***Okay, good point. Very well, I d prefer people to personages , and kind of dislike heroes . 09:15, August 17, 2005 (UTC) *Rename Plastictv s reasoning makes sense. 14:35, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Object. Personages is barely a word. I don t have a better suggestion, but I don t like the nomination suggestion. - 18:09, 11 August 2005 (UTC) **Why isn t personages a word The next closest is characters but that kinda makes the people sound fictional. Especially when a lot of people are misconceived about the true history of the Three Kingdoms and the historical novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms , we should try to avoid creating ambiguity. -- 21:10, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Personages makes me think of the French personnages, not that this matters at all. 19:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
    • ***Nearly every meaning the Oxford English Dictionary gives it at [http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50176224query_type=word&queryword=personage&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=1&search_id=98BC-lW0BFc-4547&hilite=50176224] (subscription needed) is marked as Obsolete . - 19:39, 12 August 2005 (UTC) ****Perhaps it might suit the subject (which is China 1,800 years ago) better if we use an obsolete term :) Well i m just suggesting. People of the Three Kingdoms sounds perfectly fine, too. -- 13:36, 13 August 2005 (UTC) *OBJECT, previous vote was to Keep . 18:34, 11 August 2005 (UTC) **NOTE: previous discussion here: ***Perhaps opinions voiced during a previous vote could be taken into consideration but the decision of it should hardly be taken into account when deciding the current vote. Why vote again otherwise -- 21:10, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Comment - Wouldn t People of the Three Kingdoms be better than Personages 10:59, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 17:24, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to People or Personages. - 04:55, August 14, 2005 (UTC) *Rename to People. 15:34, 17 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to People, though it s much more hamfisted than it is in Chinese. 15:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename - I don t have an especially strong opinion, but I slightly prefer 19:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

    ====Run-up to a close====

    After three days with no new votes or comments coming in, i guess it s safe to say that the vote is running up to a close. Currently the decision lies between Personages of the Three Kingdoms and People of the Three Kingdoms . Please cast your final votes if you wish to and then we ll conclude this vote. Cheers! -- 07:49, 17 August 2005 (UTC) *Persons of the Three Kingdoms 20:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    delete -- 12:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    renamed to 10:14, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Er, isn t a clan simply a group of players that team up How exactly are such clans encyclopedic 13:30, August 11, 2005 (UTC) : Agreed, in my opinion it s a more specific term in this context. -- 00:15, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

    ===Ballistic missiles===

    rename all --  23:15, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

    These are all categories for ballistic missiles that should be renamed to use the expanded form of the abbreviations:

  • (actually a merge, since it already exists, but presently there s only a subcategory in it)
  • (and yes, there s a difference between IRBMs and MRBMs)
  • Other ballistic missiles categories already use the expanded names exclusively, ICBMs are in 06:48, 14 August 2005 (UTC) *Concur. 13:28, August 11, 2005 (UTC) *Rename all. No argument. 22:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Delete. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Category%3AUnix+programs Deleted] prior to close. 08:49, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

    This category does not have a standardized name for software categories, which all are like ) 18:32, 11 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete as it is now redundant. 02:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Redundant. 22:31, 12 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete as obsolete, though it might have been more aesthetically pleasing to have achieved this through a Rename vote/action. 00:39, August 17, 2005 (UTC)