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Categories for deletion/Log/2005 August 20

==August 20==

=== ===

Delete 22:50, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Should be deleted as unnecessary and useless, and unlikely to grow. Text from the stub article of same name but lowercase 22:05, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete if needed in future can be re-created with proper caps. 18:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

=== ===

Keep. 22:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Elton John is an item, not a category. See already exists. 21:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep most of the other big musicians have categories to hold all of their sub-cats albums songs etc.. Just go looking through the categories, they are easy to find. As far as the other category, his article is an article and the cat is a sub-cat, just the way it is. Although you could just put the article there and not the cat. 23:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep per Who. 15:52, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep, agreed. 13:45, 22 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep per Who. 18:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep As above. 00:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

=== ===

Keep. 22:25, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

This should be deleted for the following reasons: :The category is empty. :The category is too far in the future to have any use currently. 2007 is 2 years away. 18:41, 20 August 2005 (UTC) ::: Even though the five day period for votes has not expired yet, it does not appear that many people will vote on this CfD. With a tally of 1 weak keep, 1 2 keeps, and 1 strong keep (see discussion below), the consensus on this category would be to keep this article. 01:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC) when he updated the vote tally. *COMMENT it s probably a space filler to precede 18:46, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Weak KEEP. The 2008 category has a small number of things in it, and for organizational sake I m not sure it makes sense to keep 2008, but delete 2007. 19:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
    • *Strong keep. This category definitely is useful and can easily be filled. A few examples: :Scottish parliamentary election, 2007 :Welsh Assembly Election 2007 :French presidential election, 2007 :Parliamentary election in Ontario :Presidential Election in Argentina :Australian legislative election, 2007 21:39, 23 August 2005 (UTC) **Okay then, should I put out a request to populate this category Apparently not many articles have any current use for this category -- couldn t we just recreate it later 22:55, 23 August 2005 (UTC) (forgot to sign) ***Not many articles in the 11:00, 24 August 2005 (UTC) **** Okay, then, I make the conclusion that we should keep this article now. So, I don t know how to do that with me being the nominator. Sorry about that folks. 18:33, 24 August 2005 (UTC) ***** This latest comment comes down to a withdrawal of the nomination. Besides, there have now been three votes: 1 weak keep (TexasAndroid), 1 keep (you) and 1 strong keep (yours truly). I don t think there will be many more votes before the term closes, so I think it s safe to say that there is a consensus to keep. I m not an admin though, so I can t close the voting process. When I can find the time, I ll start creating new articles and filling the category. Is that fine with you 18:57, 24 August 2005 (UTC) ****** Wow, six bullet points deep. Whenever you do find the time (no rush), you can populate the category -- it d be perfectly fine with me. Thank you for showing me uses for this category. I didn t realize those elections would come up. Sorry for any inconvience! 22:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep As above. 00:43, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Delete. 22:33, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    Tagged 20 August by 18:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. No argument. 18:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Speedy. Isn t Manakins spelled Man e kins Still, per nominator, delete if the previous is not the condition. **I m not sure if they were talking about 09:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC) ***If it were for the model, it should be , to match the article. 00:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC) ****Good point. Ok its the bird :) I guess it would be redundant with 22:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Merge to 22:27, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    Besides the bad capitalization, it should be deleted considering the main article on 17:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, 01:41, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge into 16:16, August 21, 2005 (UTC) *Merge per 18:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge to . -- Reinyday, 16:56, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Rename 03:15, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

    Rename to match article name 17:17, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 18:16, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Take care of all of it! 19:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC) ~

    === ===

    No consensus (no change). 22:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    Suggest renaming to 16:12, August 20, 2005 (UTC) *Keep Weird Al Yankovic constitutes a stage name, IMHO, and should be treated like band names. 18:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *KEEP, won t double-quotes potentially cause navigation problems for some people 18:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep per 13:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename if the category doesn t have quotation marks around Weird Al. Weird Al Yankovic is his true stage name, Weird Al Yankovic (no quotes) is not. ** *Keep, the name is easier without the double-quotes. 08:09, August 22, 2005 (UTC) *Rename both. Weird Al is his stage name. A rename of these two categories is consistent with 16:51, 22 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep. -- Reinyday

    === Films by director ===

    Rename however discussion moved to unresolved for comment on renaming all in parent category to new format. Films directed by Foo. 22:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    There are 11 subcats in this parent category ( ) that imo need renaming:

  • .
  • 14:56, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename all per nom, with exception to 17:11, 20 August 2005 (UTC) **Rename to Films directed by Foo as discussed below. Sorry for everyone who agreed previoulsly :) 18:14, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename all, second what Who said. :) — 17:38, 20 August 2005 (UTC) **Rename all as per new format, below: Films directed by... — 19:24, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename per Who. 18:20, 20 August 2005 (UTC) **I agree that films directed by is clearer without causing any problems. 22:30, 22 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename per Who. 19:09, August 20, 2005 (UTC) *Comment. While the proposed format is widely used, wouldn t Category: director -directed films or Category:Films directed by director be less ambiguous Many of these directors are also producers, actors, or screenwriters. Note 19:42, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename but not to that format. Choster s point is critical; just consider Clint Eastwood for the canonical example. I ll suggest Category:Films by director (thus implying that the Billy Wilder name is already correct. My justification for this is that by is the recognized English signifier for a director s work (consider the beginning of every movie: A film by so-and-so . (see comment below) 23:12, 20 August 2005 (UTC) **Comment The credit A film by Foo (or the alternative, a Foo film ) is far from a univerally-recognized and favoured English signifier for a director s work, actually—indeed, it s been a very contentious issue, especially in recent years. The various Hollywood guilds (most notably the Writers and Producers , I think) have been campaigning against it for some time, arguing it implies that the director is the sole creative influence on the film, as opposed to it being a team effort. Today, it isn t attached to all films by a longshot, and was used quite infrequently in earlier decades. (It started out reserved strictly for auteur directors, and then notable directors, and then by means of mee-too-ism it quickly spread so that every director of every bad slasher film in the 1980s wanted one.) I believe that during the last WGA strike one of demands was that it be banned altogether, and I think part of the settlement was a watered-down comprimise in which there d be a new, more restrictive process for who gets to use it overseen by the DGA. In any case, I don t think we should perpetuate it on Wikipedia. - 01:10, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename according to Nandesuka and Choster. Very good points. 00:59, August 21, 2005 (UTC) *Rename but not to that format. I ll echo Choster s observation as well. 01:10, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment - A film by is generally (although not exclusively) used where the director is also the writer. I have no objection to Stanley Kubrick films , for example, where the director is a recognised autuer. But if we re going to have categories for every Hollywood hack (as is likely) then 11:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
    • **Add Comment - A film by is also used relatively rarely vis-a-vis the totality of world film product even with many non- hacks . It has been most common in France historically, with art-house indies in the US, and in the past decade of commercial film as auteurism takes over even the conventions of crediting; but such luminaries as Eisenstein or (to the best of my memory) Hitchcock, or John Ford or Howard Hawks or Fritz Lang or Akira Kurosawa, ever had their products postured as a film by... , in realization of the collaborative and collective nature of filmmaking 02:54, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Rename but not to that format - the discussion here has convinced me that 13:35, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
    • *Comment: The consensus seems to be to renaming the categories to Films directed by ... Because of that, I would like to propose renaming every category in the 15:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC) **Support - 21:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Rename. 22:49, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    These need to be moved to and 11:32, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 18:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *COMMENT was that Bulgar/Slav/Skopje/FYRoM/RoM/Macedonia ever resolved 18:49, 20 August 2005 (UTC) **There is a note on the categories in question that covers the dispute. 18:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. 18:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. - 09:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Rename. 22:55, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    Rename. Luxembourgeois is not an English word, and looks like some sort of political joke, since bourgeois has a specific pejorative meaning in English which it doesn t have in French. Luxembourg has no specific adjectival form in English so the category should be called 03:51, 20 August 2005 (UTC) : fixed header and category wiki in nomination 18:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename as suggested. 17:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 18:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 19:10, August 20, 2005 (UTC) *Rename per nom. See 18:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Rename to

    Rename. The relevant category for people is 03:44, August 20, 2005 (UTC) *Hasn t this been here before I have to check the archives to see any relevant discussion. Shouldn t it be more like 05:06, 20 August 2005 (UTC) **One of the subcategories was CfDed with no consensus. IMHO we should be trying to match the naming of Category:Fictional Foo to Category:Foo where applicable. - 00:33, August 21, 2005 (UTC) ***Ah, yes I see your point, I was actually referring to the LGBT sub-cats naming schema, but these should all be standarized. But if I look at 18:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

  • rename to 18:51, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
    • *Rename to 01:34, August 21, 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 04:45, 2005 August 22 (UTC) *Rename to . -- Reinyday

    === ===

    Delete. 22:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    Delete: Now defunct. All articles moved to 01:11, August 20, 2005 (UTC) *Speedy delete now. 04:41, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. *Delete 18:34, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    No consensus (no change). 22:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    Delete - POV. There are already categories for people associated with religions either as leaders or as notable for a religion. Some of these listedf did not found a religion, the religion was founded after they died 03:20, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

    :delete, I think a 06:37, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete - POV, per nom. I don t think the alternate naming would be any better, unless someone has diffinitive proof on every religion. 18:45, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

    :Keep. The difference between a sect and a religion is not clear to those who study religions. -- 22:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. 15:54, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    Rename. 22:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    Rename to 04:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename, 04:42, 20 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 18:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)