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Categories for deletion/Log/2005 August 25

== August 25 ==

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rename as per nomination -- 14:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Rename to 23:48, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Rename as per nominator. -- 14:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename all of these per the nominator, save for 17:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename, as per nominator 21:04, 2005 August 26 (UTC) *Rename, per nom 01:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *I ll go out on a limb and say delete as too obscure a category for anyone to want to look it up. But what do I know. 17:50, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 18:06, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. And to the deletists, there are plenty of CVG anti-heroes. - 04:45, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

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rename as per nomination -- 14:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Rename to 23:20, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Rename as per nominator. -- 14:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename, as per nominator 21:04, 2005 August 26 (UTC) *Rename per nom 01:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 18:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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rename as per nomination -- 14:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Rename to 23:20, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Rename as per nominator. -- 14:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename, however I recommend that it be renamed as 21:07, 2005 August 26 (UTC) **COMMENT that would also cover hint books, video game history books, and the like. I don t think that s the intent. 16:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Tip books/strategy guides would be 04:56, 2005 August 30 (UTC)
    • *Rename per nom. 18:12, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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    rename as per nomination -- 14:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    Rename to 23:20, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Rename as per nominator. -- 14:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename, as per nominator 21:05, 2005 August 26 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 18:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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    rename as per nomination -- 14:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    Rename to 23:20, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Rename, but I would suggest it be moved to 14:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *RENAME, but subcategorize with Animation series and Animation films 15:30, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Animation series and animation films should be animated television series per 03:51, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
    • *Rename per 17:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename per 18:18, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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    rename as per nomination -- 14:15, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    Rename to 22:37, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Rename as per nominator. -- 14:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename, as per nominator 21:01, 2005 August 26 (UTC) *Rename per nom 01:23, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 18:20, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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    delete -- 14:03, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    ~99% redundant with 22:28, August 25, 2005 (UTC) :To whoever closes this: if consensus is to (merge and) delete, please don t repopulate the articles into 03:54, August 27, 2005 (UTC) *Delete, unless there are in fact a large number of articles that belong in one cat and not the other. 22:36, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep, 00:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Comment. Would the problem be resolved by adding Comic characters as a subcategory of Universe characters :Not really - there are characters who are owned by Marvel but who are not part of the Marvel Universe (Royal Roy, Spider-Ham) that are listed at Category:Marvel Comics characters. However I see the point that the overlap might be confusing, but that just makes the case for writing clearer introductions on the category page - howabout Characters owned by Marvel Comics though not necessarily a part of the Marvel Universe for Category:Marvel Comics characters and Fictional characters who have been shown to exist in the Marvel Universe, though not all owned by Marvel Comics or some better written variation thereof 10:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *While I understand Hueysheridan s point, the distinction is far from clear to most people, nor is it clear from the category naming. I believe merge&delete would be best, and for those few characters present in the Universe but not owned by Marvel, that should be noted in the articles. Otherwise the distinction would just end up confusing people. 08:48, August 26, 2005 (UTC) **And note that users tend not to read category pages - categorization should be evident from the name of the category. 13:52, August 26, 2005 (UTC) *COMMENT I don t think Fu Manchu or Conan should appear in an Marvel category. It s like listing Star Trek characters as part of DC Comics, just because they published some comics based on them, or Marvel, come to think of it, there s a Planet-X novel with Marvel characters set in TNG. 15:38, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge and delete It pains me to point this out, but I seem to remember Doctor Who has been shown to exist within the Marvel Universe by dint of interacting with charcaters who later appeared in the Marvel Universe. Therefore this is redundant, as the distinction is impossible to make. 21:34, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, no merge - 16:56, 28 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. All of the Marvel categories need to be cleaned up, as the guys dealing with them have no compunctions about redundant categories, but I digress. -- 21:51, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

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    rename as nominated -- 13:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    *All ships in the category are Halifax class, and renaming would bring it into line with other subcats of 21:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    *Rename as suggested. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename per nom 01:25, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename. No argument. 18:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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    delete -- 13:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    Another example of overcategorization. It has no articles, and the only subcategory is Airline Companies of Puerto Rico. Delete it. Airline Companies of Puerto Rico can be added to and 13:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    *Delete. No argument. 14:52, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, agreed. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename as suggested. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) **The categories I mentioned already exist. I meant that Airline Companies of Puerto Rico should be moved into those two in this one s place. 13:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete per nom. - 17:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete per nom 01:26, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep or possibly move the subsequent listings into , What matters is whether the category is relevant (I think it is), whether it is well-defined (I think it is), whether it can be filled (I think it can) and whether it follows the existing hierarchy (I think it does). -- Reinyday, 07:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC) **The difference is that Puerto Rico is not a country. Singapore, the US, Canada, and the UK are. PR is a territory of the US. There is no category Transportation Companies of Guam or Transportation Companies of the US Virgin Islands . 17:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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    defer to cat titles discussion -- 13:50, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    This category name is non-standard and not in conventional English. It is inconsistent with the parent and grandparent categories. As for the idea that people won t be sure what it means, those who make that point know perfectly well what it means perfectly and also know that everyone else does too. The only linked foreign language equivalent is in Czech and is called Amerití dramatici. 11:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    *I presume you re referring to American -v- U.S. If so, deferto 12:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *We can at least rename it to United States whatever; abbreviations are frowned upon. 14:41, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Rename to United States dramatists and playwrights , then for proper renaming defer to CT. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Suspend per Splash. 03:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename as proposed by 16:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Suspend per Splash. Or deferto :) 01:27, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

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    delete -- 13:48, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    Not a category for regular cast members (they re in 10:32, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Comment: Possibly rename it or move it, instead of delete I m no expert but I m guessing there are a great many guests in that series, and it may be a good idea to seperate them out for easier viewing of both this list and the original page about the serial. 10:49, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
    • *:A list would still have its own page to make it separate from the main article, and would be in 12:21, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Speedy delete, this is a recreation. See 12:36, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Delete and replace with a list, if one doesn t already exist. - 16:12, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Delete. this is ridiculous, a list would do far better. 16:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, agreed. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. List almost certainly already exists. - 22:37, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Delete as per nominator. And might I suggest moving 14:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC) **Not all cast members are voice actors, there are other jobs, and I m sure that all the bio s are cat d in 01:29, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    *Keep I think this is a valuable list. 19:39, 28 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. You can keep it as a list, but as a category it shows up in every article belonging to it. Such is vain. - 15:16, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

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    no consensus -- 13:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    The last user who does not accept to be described as Millennial Generation ( 09:32, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    *Delete, then. The concept is somewhat silly. 10:26, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Delete both Arbitary and useless. There are other sites where people can meet others of their own age to socialise. 11:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *:Yeah, and there are also sites where people can meet others of their own nation, so 13:18, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *::What do you think Wikipedia is An online encyclopedia, or a lonely hearts club 22:06, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *::And they re welcome to do that, but on a list that doesn t create such a server load. 14:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *:::Server load How much server load does such a category create-- 23:08, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *::::Apparently a much greater amount than a list. I asked 23:25, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *:::::That link does not work (at least, there does not seem to be a section While_I_was_initially_in_favor in that page). Is it right-- 08:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete silly, and delete along with almost all Wikipedian caetgories. - 12:59, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. 14:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *These are both slated for deletion as per a previous CFD from Aug 18. -- 16:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep, what the hell is going on here Are these cats harming anything The Wikipedian cats are one of the many little incentives that keep good editors invested in the project. Being able to proclaim that this Wikipedian is a ... something isn t hurting anything, and removing them is in fact only going to add to the many little annoyances on Wikipedia that cause peope to leave. ,[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Special%3ALog&user=Func  ]) 16:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

  • No offense -- and when I say you here, I mean the generic you , not Func -- but if you need incentives like vanity pages to stay involved in the project, then I say good riddance. 17:57, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
    • *Delete Both. Violation of no vanity page policy (along with all other Wikipedian trivia pages). Also, looks silly as hell, juvenile and egocentric, and thus hurts the (admittedly shaky) reputation of Wikipedia as a responsible source of worthy information. 20:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC) :What the hell Vanity page It s a category of userpages, not an article...-- 23:03, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, pointless. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep, agree with 07:56, August 26, 2005 (UTC) *Keep. per Func 11:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. -- 13:56, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep per my vote at ) 22:54, 26 August 2005 (UTC) *Comment this is a pointless discussion, you can t rename a deleted category. If you want to be in an existing category, then place your userpage in it. If you want a vote. Oppose. This should really not remain listed, as there is nothing for Cfd to do. 01:34, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep, as per func.-- 03:54, August 30, 2005 (UTC) *Keep Go Func 08:47, August 27, 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Vanity categories are against policy, and Wikipedian vanity categories should be doubly so. 17:54, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep -- What s bad about categorizing users We already have things like ( ) 18:08, 27 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep 19:17, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

    *Delete Definitely. Wikipedia has far too many useless categories. This has no encyclopedic value and is quite esoteric to Wikipedia. -- 19:41, 28 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep. There s a category listing users by 10:06, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    === ===

    listify -- 13:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    This large category groups articles together which don t belong together. So it s useless as navigation aid and misleading as a tool of article categorization. The 08:51, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

    *Listify sounds good. 10:26, August 25, 2005 (UTC) *Listify does indeed sound good, and it would seem strange to have an article saying the word is problematic and then use it in the title of the category that the article is in! -12:59, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *List. No argument. 14:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, implement as list. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

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    keep -- 13:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    Placed all in 00:03, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    *Keep. Poems, essays, and plays do not belong in 06:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep as above. I will repair the damage. 11:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Comment — note that the nominator doesn t say they ve put everything in novels , but that they ve put everything in books . Looks like the cat tree needs building properly here. *Keep, even so. The division is useful, and 12:59, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep, agreed. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep as above. 16:14, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

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    no consensus (no change) -- 13:28, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

    Rename 11:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

    *Generally 5 articles is about my lower limit for holding a category separately. I presume this category can be more thoroughly populated by writing the missing articles (or cat ing them), and will expand in future. Not a vote as such, more thinking out loud. - 12:59, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *There are 5 tour articles already and there will certainly be more. There are 2 non-tour articles , I don t think there will be many more. A tour cat is definitely justifiable, a cat that doesn t include tour articles is probably not. That s why I d rather have one super category. 18:51, 25 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep, but also have a super-category of stuff in general about the Lions. 22:10, 25 August 2005 (UTC) I think it should be renamed and so far only one person has disagreed. That makes it 1-1. If nobody else votes I m not sure what should happen. 12:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC) *Basically, the no consensus means there won t be a rename. But you can create 13:28, 1 September 2005 (UTC)