Categories for deletion/Log/2005 August 29

== August 29 ==

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rename to United States state birds -- 16:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

For consistency with other, similar, categories. 18:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Defer to 19:00, 29 August 2005 (UTC) **Comment If this were brand new, I might agree, but with the exception of birds and fossils, everything in 19:27, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

If we are going to do this, we can do it correctly now. As I see it, we have four other categories, and a number of lists to be moved. The lists are easy, as they just require a Page Move each. The categories are more tricky, but that s one reason to put them here: to get bot and manpower support in moves. So I m proposing to change my Rename suggestion to 21:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*RENAME it has to be renamed now. Whether the abbrieviation is correct or not is beside the current issue. State is not a US specific term. If it needs to be renamed again in the future, so be it, but right now, it is factually incorrect. 19:43, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 07:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Agrees. This works better. I support this option. 11:25, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

*Rename to 08:27, 30 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to United States state birds . 13:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 17:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC) *Rename to 16:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC) *NOTE: as of now there is no consensus as to what to rename to. If I could make a suggestion, the US State Widgets (see 14:07, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I m OK either way. But you re right, it makes sense to go with the same way the other four went. 18:29, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

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no consensus (no change) -- 14:13, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Natives of Cornwall implies only people who were born in Cornwall. People such as 22:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete, ethnic subcats. I ll go as far as England, Scotland, Wales and NI, but no farther. - 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) **Seems a bit extreme, considering there are many categories already in existence for people from individual cities, let alone counties that have as much of an individual identity as Cornwall. -- 00:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC) ***Also seems extreme referring to England, Scotland and Wales as ethnic subcats when they are clearly countries. 10:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC) ****I didn t really mean that those ones were ethnic subcats; just that Cornwall is. The reason I ll go as far as England, Scotland, Wales and NI is because they are countries, even if they are part of a single(-ish) State. - 03:06, 1 September 2005 (UTC) *****Some people believe Cornwall is also a country. Note even Northern Ireland s status as a country is unclear, which is why I did not list it myself. Note there is a 09:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC) *Keep, most certainly, Cornwall has a strong and fiercely defended identity. The rename I am unsure of however, perhaps 10:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC) *Rename as suggested. 13:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep and move Cornish people who re not native to Cornwall to 13:39, September 1, 2005 (UTC) *Keep It s the standard term for such categories in the UK. It is possible to be a native of Cornwall without having any Cornish ethnicity. 03:58, 2 September 2005 (UTC) *Keep per 08:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

===State widgits===

rename as nominated -- 14:03, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

: : : : As is discussed in the State Birds discussion below, these are non-standard. Preference is to avoid abbreviations on category names. Discussion on State Birds was whether to follow normal preferences, or be consistant. I say let s move them all to where they should be, and be done with it. Then, both concerns are satisfied. :) -- 21:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Rename all, but wonder about the state-songs one continuing to exist at all. 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Comment If they must be renamed, do it to 07:08, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Sounds great. I m up for the alternate naming. That gives us:

: : : : : 11:29, 30 August 2005 (UTC) :::Retracting, so we don t get No Conscensous. 14:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC) *Rename as suggested by the original poster - State seals of the United Kingdom , for example, would refer to the seals of state of the country, not the seals of state of the states of the country, so State seals of the United States is highly confusing. 13:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 18:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete, but this should be remade once we have articles for 18:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, and no need to remake later. Redundant with populated category 20:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. 13:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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merge -- 14:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

At the best the name is confusing. I had to look through several of the articles to figure out what the category is for. Since it only has three articles, I would suggest moving them up to 18:15, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. No argument. 18:59, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *yup. i made it in sillyness. so DELETE. but not to be moved up to Stargate , because that category is so about the tv series, which the 19:07, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

According to the article, SG-3000 is about the tv series. The category Stargate is for both the TV series and the movie/movie-books. 19:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

If you do not want them merged up, please suggest a viable alternative. The articles need to live *somewhere* Stargate related. 21:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*delete 19:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

MERGE with 19:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Merge as suggested. 13:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC) *Merge as suggested. -- 13:34, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 17:54, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. No argument. 23:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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keep -- 13:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 17:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Keep. I just populated it based on 23:25, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep. Changing my vote. saifu did a good job populating and parenting it. Now in use, no need to delete. 00:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 17:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. No articles to populate with. 23:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 17:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. No argument. 23:32, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, doesn t indicate any particular Tarlo and anyway the Tarlos with articles are unlikely to require categories. - 16:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 17:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. No argument. 23:36, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 17:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. Empty, vague. 23:37, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete, per 21:50, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:32, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 16:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. No argument. 23:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete: Category is redundant, see 04:45, 2005 August 30 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:54, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 16:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. Redundant with 23:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete with redundancy. I was going to say keep and populate, but there s no need. - 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Reverse rename, television channels is more common. 13:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Stations is the term used on wikipedia, per 12:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

***No, both terms are used. Spain isn t a U.S. colony. 03:55, 2 September 2005 (UTC) *Delete as per above. -- 13:28, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:56, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. (I know some of these could be speedied, but I m tossing them up via CFD instead in case someone can make them useful instead. I see no rush to remove them.) 16:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Keep and populate. I m not very familiar with Hinduism, but there is 23:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete as 01:39, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

COMMENT That s not a valid analog. Shintoism is more or less Japan only. Hinduism spread across South-East asia and was the major religion before being displaced by Islam. 19:37, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

***Of course, but that is besides the point. It remains that the contents of 21:55, 30 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Empty and vague; are they Hindu temples Buddhist temples some other religion If any of those would be useful, create and name them as such (which would also match most other categories for temples in specific countries). -- 01:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep and populate. It s not vague. It is about temples in a country, not temples of a religion. -- Reinyday, 00:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC) **But unlike, for instance, 17:05, 1 September 2005 (UTC) *COMMENT Submitter here. If one or another of the people suggesting Keep and populate would please do the populating, and give it a valid parent, I would gladly change my vote to Keep as well. As long as it stays empty and parentless, my vote stays Delete. *Delete. Empty. -- 13:27, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 14:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 16:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. No argument. 23:49, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 14:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 16:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete Redundant with the populated category 19:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC) : And with category 19:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Delete. No argument. 23:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *delete 02:51, 1 September 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Thought it was for alumni of 17:02, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 14:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. Large text already moved to 16:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. No argument. 23:51, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 14:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 16:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Delete. Is this a recreation from a previous CfD 23:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes it s a recreation of 11:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 13:51, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 16:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Comment: it would probably be a good idea to have a soft redirect to 23:55, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 14:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Empty category. 15:43, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. Very few things to put in it anyway, and is a perfectly good category.

*Delete per anon, though it s 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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keep -- 14:32, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Using Australian Commonwealth is awkward in any case. Here it is rather purposeless. I believe it should be renamed to Ministries of Australia because it sounds better, and so I can have sub-categories for State ministries. 14:42, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Not well versed in Australian politics, but aren t there already State ministries sub-categorised in 21:58, 29 August 2005 (UTC) :*Yes. Rather sillily, I didn t notice that whilst working through the categories. However, I d still like for the category to be renamed to 14:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC) *Keep, I think. 13:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC) *Keep I prefer the current phrasing. It seems clearer for those who don t know how Australia is organised. :*Okay. Perhaps its not clear how I would like the hierarchy. I think Ministries of Australia should be the umbrella category for all ministries in Australia. Australian Commonwealth ministries would become Australian ministries , which is consistent with the naming used for State ministries (eg Western Australian ministries ). Had I noticed Australian ministries in the first place, I would not have needed to make this nomination.-- 17:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

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rename -- 13:49, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I d like this category to be renamed, as it provides too much confusion between the animated and comic book versions of Teen Titans. -- 05:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Rename as suggested. 13:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Rename Sounds like a logical move to lessen confusion. 15:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Rename. No argument. 23:59, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Comment although I agree with the proposed rename, I ask that certain users refrain from moving contents of categories before the end of a discussion. Although it may seem that the discussion is logical and going in one direction, making changes hours after the proposal is premature as it may change. Thanks. 00:12, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

===Volcanoes===

rename -- 13:35, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

We recently renamed Hawaiian volcanoes to the more standard Volcanoes of Hawaii . This subcategory should follow the same pattern 04:08, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *converted to crfu 05:07, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Rename per nom. 05:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Rename as suggested. 13:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Rename No argument 15:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Advertise the running discussion at 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *Defer per Splash. 00:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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rename -- 13:34, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Proposed as speedy rename on 26 August. Does not meet speedy rename criteria, listing here. 00:19, 29 August 2005 (UTC) :Should be straightforward enough. Agree. 02:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Rename (above was not vote, just listing). 05:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Rename as suggested. 13:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Merge as proposed. 14:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

*Question. Why is the word heritage in the title If it s because they have some protection from 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) *I see this discussion has been preemtped. Why - 23:57, 29 August 2005 (UTC) **Nothing to do with 09:04, 30 August 2005 (UTC) ***Or even 01:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC) **The same person created both of these categories, and decided that the first was a mistake. This shouldn t really have needed to go to a vote. The categorisation is done by template, and the relevant amendment was made three days before this listing, but it didn t take effect for some technical reason. See the talk page if you want, but this is a storm in a tea-cup. 01:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC) ***When categorisation is done by a template, any changes to the category name in the template require all articles containing the template to get null-edits before they will move to the new category (this is a problem I face all the time as a stub-sorter...) 10:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 14:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

*The correct name is 03:21, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

*Speedy 05:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Speedy rename as suggested. 13:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 14:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

*The correct name is 03:21, August 29, 2005 (UTC)

*Speedy 05:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Speedy rename as suggested. 13:53, 29 August 2005 (UTC)