Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 18

== June 18 ==

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rename -- 28 June 2005 17:02 (UTC)

Rename to 22:53, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Agree with rename, and agree that keeping things consistent is best, although technically it should probably be 23:53, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC) *Rename, use redirect to new cat if possible. 18:34, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) *Rename for the same reason proposed by Radiant. 16:50, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Rename as suggested. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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no consensus (keep) -- 28 June 2005 17:01 (UTC)

Redundant with 22:53, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Disagree. Check the parent categories. Fictional X is for fictional characters who are X, X in fiction is for works of fiction that prominently feature X. The X in fiction categories ought to be renamed for the sake of clarity. - 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC) **I d support a rename... how about 09:45, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC) ***Problem there is what about television programmes and comics and so on. How about 15:16, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Rename as suggested by Radiant!. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Redirect as suggested by Radiant. 01:24, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Question Don t we have many categories like Foo in Fiction in the same meaning — 05:52, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

Keep for above reason. — 04:20, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

*Comment I still do not understand the reasoning for a fictional character/species to be referenced in Fiction . If foo were already non-fictional, then there is no problem Airplanes in fiction . But technically Vampires and Werewolves are already fictional, so if anything the category, if kept, should be named just Vampires . 04:37, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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no consensus (keep) -- 28 June 2005 16:59 (UTC)

Oddly named; merge with its parent 22:53, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Renane to 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Up-merge as suggested. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 16:56 (UTC)

Redundant with 22:53, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Created as an attempt to turn the now-excised list of sprites at the 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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merge -- 28 June 2005 16:55 (UTC)

There s only two ghosts here, so they would be better off merged into the parent 22:53, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

This really needs to be expanded. Hopefully someone in the cable population can help. Time) *There is plenty of information on the ghosts in the main article ( 07:40, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Up-merge. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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merge -- 28 June 2005 16:55 (UTC)

There s only three ghosts here, so they would be better off merged into the parent 22:53, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Up-merge. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Merge I don t think there are too many Hogwarts ghosts anyway deserving of articles, so a merge would be in order. 14:34, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC) *Keep Fictional ghosts is not a Harry Potter subcategory. 16:57, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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keep -- 28 June 2005 16:49 (UTC)

About the mythological species, and therefore redundant with 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Keep. In the case of mythological creatures, Category:[foo] is for examples of the [foo] in beliefs and myths, while Category:Fictional [foo] is for examples of the [foo] in literature and modern fiction. Compare 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Keep, as Sean says. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep. I have added a few genuineTM mythological dwarves. 21:27, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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rename -- 28 June 2005 16:50 (UTC)

About real-world dwarfs; rename to 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Agreed. - 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Rename as suggested. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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merge -- 28 June 2005 16:47 (UTC)

Overcategorization. Merge back into parent cat ( 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Agreed. - 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC) *Agree. 18:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) *Indeed. Urban legend alarm. 22:48, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Up-merge. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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no consensus (keep) -- 28 June 2005 16:44 (UTC)

From the description, This category is for people about whom there is (or was for a long period) a mystery as to their identity or immediate origins. . Can someone think of a more suitable name than mysterious people because that sounds kind of confusing. 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Possibly 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC) *People of unknown identity And btw, Rasputin s identity was known, B. Traven was just pen name, Subcomandante Marcos was for publicity, etc. It should be stressed that this cat is only for people like 18:40, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Unhelpful and POV. People who don t advertise themselves are deemed as mysterious. Category implies they mystify themselves. 01:30, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Keep - Other options could be rather long-winded - People whose exact identity, past or existence is not stricly known but widely speculated . Mysterious is shorthand for that. However, many of those currently in the category, including Shakespeare, do not qualify (or in case of Deep Throat, not any more). Just remove the articles that do not belong. Also note that the category survived the 17:48, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**True, but that was a request for deletion, and this is a request for renaming. 10:31, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Keep. This category will need occasional weeding, but none of the suggested new titles really fit. -- 13:17, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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rename -- 28 June 2005 16:42 (UTC)

Rename to 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Agreed. - 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Rename as suggested. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 16:41 (UTC)

Overly broad category. Only exists to subcat crime victims, whistleblowers and attorneys. Delete as useless. 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 16:26 (UTC)

Only serves as parent to Births By Year and Deaths By Year. Delete and put that duo in parent 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Delete, 18:42, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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merge -- 28 June 2005 16:38 (UTC)

Redundant with 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Agreed. Since missing implies present tense, the other category should definitely be the one used. - 07:22, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Merge as suggested. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Perhaps Merge or put 22:25, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC) *Merge into . -- User:Docu

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no consensus (keep) -- 28 June 2005 16:36 (UTC)

Ridiculously long name. Can we shorten that please 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Must admit this is hard. 22:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

**I think the words like famous or noted can be left out, as it can be assumed every entry will be notable enough for an article. 20:42, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

How about something like 20:45, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

Delete. These people should be accessed through the appropriate subcategories and articles (under 06:04, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

**Delete, concur with Sebastian. June 28, 2005 12:22 (UTC)

Do not rename I think the tradeoff of awkwardness of the title for clear meaning is warranted. 22:30, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 16:35 (UTC)

That is a kind of disease, in case you were wondering :) what s the point of classifying authors and other notable people by the kind of disease they had Do we want 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Delete. I also agree with other suggestions by Radiant on similar categories above and bellow. 18:46, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) *Delete. Embarassing. 22:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Note: We should get the vote of someone who actually suffers from this disease. I can imagine that it can be very helpful to find some 06:09, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 16:31 (UTC)

See above. What s the point of classifying notable people by the way they died Unless it was suicide or murder or something spectacular, death from any disease is pretty much the same for the person s notability. 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Delete, rarely of any relevance. 22:36, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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rename -- 28 June 2005 16:27 (UTC)

Sea above. At the very least, rename to 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

*rename. I feel this is much more notable than other causes of death on the cfd page, and deserves some mention, especially if it included modern people, such as those lost in the 17:08, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Rename; not sure where to, though. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Rename to 14:36, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC) *Rename. I started the category; I think it s somewhat notable, although it is underpopulated. 07:16, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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merge -- 28 June 2005 16:24 (UTC)

Overcategorization. Merge with parent, 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Merge as suggested. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 16:23 (UTC)

Sounds to me like abuse is a kind of disorder. As this is overly small, merge with parent 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

*delete not necessary and does not seem to contribute much to Wikipedia. 17:08, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Merge into 22:33, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

*Delete. -- 00:59, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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no consensus (keep) -- 28 June 2005 16:19 (UTC)

Speaking of which, substance is a euphemism for drugs , that may be misunderstood anywhere outside the USA. Since 22:37, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

*rename to 17:08, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Rename as suggested. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do not rename. This category s placement suggests that it includes both drug and non-drug addiction and abuse. For instance, nicotine is not considered a drug but a substance; alcohol is not considered a drug but a substance. With regard to anywehere outside the USA , the term substance abuse is used on the [http://www.who.int/topics/en/#S WHO list of health topics], which I think can qualify as not entirely a US invention. It is fair to say that substance might be misconstrued when creating inter-wiki links to other languages, and care needs to be taken there. 15:43, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete without prejudice to recreation when there s more than one of them. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete. It s been a month, and there s only one. Recreate when the articles exist. -- 13:27, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 15:26 (UTC)

This category overlaps 12:18, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 15:26 (UTC)

This category contained 2 articles ( 11:09, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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no consensus (keep) -- 28 June 2005 15:50 (UTC)

This category contained 1 article- 09:46, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Strong Keep. Palaeography is the study of old scripts. There are plenty of old scripts to study. It s a pity that Wikipedia doesn t have much on the subject (maybe because adding pictures isn t easy), but it certainly is encyclopedic. 07:22, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

*Keep. There were always plenty of articles to add to this, but no one ever got around to it. 15:32, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 15:26 (UTC)

This one was deprecated a couple of months back (repaced by 08:06, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC) :Delete - couldn t it be speedied 09:23, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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no consensus (keep) -- 28 June 2005 15:41 (UTC)

I understand the point of category redirects, but why on earth are they themselves categorized 01:24, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) :Only reason I can think of is so we can easily keep track of them in case we come up with a better technological solution. Not sure how good of a reason that is. 02:19, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC) *Special:Whatlinkshere for would also do that. 09:09, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) *Yah, delete. 09:23, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC) *I think there might be a technical reason to keep this category. Enforcing that no articles are placed in redirected categories is a manual process (hopefully the result of an automated scan), but since whatlinkshere is truncated at 500 references if there are ever more than 500 redirected categories there may be a problem. I don t know if the 500 whatlinkshere limit is a display limit or if the database truncates at that many references. Categories don t have this issue. -- ) 15:11, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC) **You can now apparently append limit=999 to the URL to escape the normal 500 limit. 19:24, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep. We need this category so that 22:30, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Keep. Even without the bot, the category can be used to check by hand. 14:29, 23 Jun 2005 (UT

Keep -- 13:40, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Keep. -- 02:18, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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delete -- 28 June 2005 15:26 (UTC)

Frivolous or vanity category. -- 00:08, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC) *Delete -- nonsense. - 01:16, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Comment. Thanks for adding the deletion template, which I forgot. -- 01:59, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Delete, should be speedy. 18:07, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) *Troll alarm. 22:37, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) *delete. senseless vanity page. 17:11, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. 20:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

*Nonsense. Delete, candidate for speedy deletion as a call for vandalism. - 19:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)