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= May, 2004 =
=sitcom=
Nice work. It s a good page. I ve put a call on Pages Needing Attention for contributors from other places. I ve removed the duplicated stuff from Talk. I assume that s OK - you can always revert. You may want to add something to 19:49, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
=Help, please: Madrid Metro Image=
If you have time, could you do me the favour of moving my map of the Madrid metro from 19:15, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
: Okay. I think I ve taken care of that. Cheers, -- 22:51, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
=Zurbarán=
Thank you for you re note. However, I searched for the individual - did not find one and formatted some Britannica as well as including image etc. I later found this other article also from Britannica and turned it into a redirect. I did not remove mine as it had, I feel, better formatting and paragraphing as well as the image mark up. -- 19:02, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
=About that Ted Weems Article =
Dear I, You are right, perhaps I was too hasty. I have been trying to deal with a large number of pages in need of rapid deletion today (I am home with the flu). You know how it is, once you have the hammer out everything starts to look like a nail. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea magna culpa....
=Mexico City=
A population of 30 million really does seem too high; perhaps the other bloke s 22 is closer to the truth. Check out the state pages -- 16:22, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
: Cool. I was wondering. However I ve read that some consider the official census figures for the city as too low. Perhaps we should find a couple of good sources, and if they differ, quote them both. -- 16:31, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
OK. I suspect the census figs will be low, but not too low. I ll see what I can find on gob.mx. and put some thoughts down on 16:44, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
INEGI figs now on the Talk page. What I see as far more difficult is getting a reliable source for the census s margin of error: even so, a jump from 18m to 30m (12 million people slipped through the gaps) seems terribly unlikely. Vaguely related matters: could you take a look at
=Image:BigPinkHeart.jpg=
Hi. I am wondering if the is in public domain or used based on fair use. Do you have any information regarding when the copyrightholder(s) has died Or is it a work belonging to a corporation
The image is quite nice, but currently listed as potential copyright violation at Japanese wikipedia. We consider both US and Japananese copyright laws, and the latter has different protection period and different provision about fair use-like secondary use. If you could let me know, I would appreaciate a lot. (I ll check back this page, so you can answer on this page unless you prefer otherwise.) Thanks! 18:33, 15 May 2004 (UTC) : It is from before 1923, so it would be considered Public Domain in the USA. I don t know about other places. I will add the PD-US notice to the image page. -- 18:41, 15 May 2004 (UTC) ::Thanks for the info. :). 12:58, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
=User:Wikipolice=
You have exceptional nerve and are very rude. I do not want to cause trouble and I have a great many edits. Any further insubordination and I shall complain. Email to discuss it.-- 14:48, 16 May 2004 (UTC) : Rudeness was not my intent. On your talk page I gave you what intended as serious advice, based on my experience here. As you no doubt noticed, I am far from the only one who thinks that taking the user name Wikipolicie is quite inappropriate-- and I m sure some folks here would label that as exceptional nerve and very rude . It seems to cause trouble; some folks think it suggests that you wish to assume you have some control or authority beyond that of other recently arrived users. I notice you ve already applied to have that username changed-- good for you. I have some more advice-- which you may of course follow or ignore, but please consider that it is based much more experience here than you have, so please consider the possibilty that it may be based on something other than rudeness. The advice is to not edit more here under the Wikipolice name. Now I ve had my say. I hope in the future, once you have your new user name we can work together cordially building Wikipedia. -- 15:54, 16 May 2004 (UTC)~
Emergency, Mayday, Wiki Wiki Mayday! Dear Infrogmation, the WikiRepublic is in danger! Wikipolice make their coup d êtat ! Please add your voice and come help John [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mr-Natural-Health#User:Theresa_knott here ] wiki wiki . He is subject to a campaign of character assasination. Thank you ! - Yours, - 17:25, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
=Creative Commons petition=
I have a draft of a petition on my user page I would like you to look over. I m not entirely sure this doesn t violate policy, so I would appreciate any input (or edits!) you might have before I make a complete ass of myself. 20:38, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
=Welcome=
Hi, I just looked at 22:52, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for the info you posted on my talk page. I ve found it useful and am learning how to write good wikipedia articles. What a fascinating site. I m still fairly new to much of this. But thanks for the nice welcome. 03:35, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
= Re: Ingersoll =
Infrogmation,
Yeah, I d just discovered that, too. It was the G. that threw me off, I think; I searched Wikipedia, and couldn t find an article on Ingersoll, and he wasn t in the Biography listings, so I went ahead and put a basic file together. Then I happened to be searching a little more thorroughly (for something else, no less), and the Robert G. Ingersoll article popped up. D oh! That should teach me to tread a little more carefully here at Wikipedia before I get too eager to contribute.
Here s hoping I don t make the mistake again. :)
= Pensacola, Florida =
Why did you move the aerial view drawing in the Pensacola, Florida article Just curious.
Your other change was unnecessary; the first European town makes someone think of a town in Europe, not Florida. St. Augustine markets itself as the Nation s first city . As such, I ve changed it back. Please don t change it again. It ll start an edit war, which would be annoying.
You seem to be a pretty smart person and a great Wikipedian, so I mean none of this is disprespect. 04:54, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
: Thanks for asking. I moved down the illustration so that it appears in the otherwise blank space opposite the table of contents box, though whether this looks better may depend on browser and screen size used. The other points I just addressed at 05:06, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
::Thanks for replying . I understand your concerns. The picture placement is quite acceptable. I m also quite fine with your rewording of the European settlement bit. It makes much more sense now. Sorry for being so blunt, about starting an edit war and such, it s just that I ve come into contact with several people on WP who are unfortunately rigid and unwilling to compromise, and so I m kind-of apprehensive sometimes. Thanks again. 05:17, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
=June 2004=
Hi Infrogmation, thanks for the welcome; the page I had created was meant to be a sub-heading elsewhere, and it was a mistake. Maximus Rex deleted it, but he has included the content in his deletion log, and I would like the content there removed; I would also like the title not to appear in my Talk page history - is there any way to do these Please reply by email, thanks. 17:38, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
=Old friend=
Hi frog. I hosted your website for a while, at http://www.ironfire.org/ Remember
Glad to see you are addicted to wiki too... aren t we all. What do you think about this business with trolls
: Hi, welcome. I certainly remember and liked that hosting.
: There are trolls and vandals as one would get in any open internet community, but the bulk of the community here keeps improving things faster than damage is done, and fortunately reverting to pre-troll edits is easy. Cheers, -- 18:23, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
= Hi Infrogmation =
Thanks for your message about not creating empty pages. Now I ve uploaded the 23:23, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
=Hitler painting=
I don’t see how the Hitler painting was a copyright violation since it was one of the official propaganda items in Nazi Germany. The color photo is far more problematic. The Hitler photo that is displayed now was taken by Walter Frentz, Hitler s personal photographer and is copyright, his son, who works for a major german media company is famous for going after people who use it [http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.phpt=5916 as you can see here]. This image looks like a bad scan from Hitlers Berghof 1928-1945 in color book *[http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/3887410270/028-4365036-0440526] -- 22:22, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
: Hi. I am not familiar with the copyright status of the various images myself. I deleted some items that had been on 03:36, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
=User page=
Hi, You are correct. I meant to add the info to a User page not an article. Thanks for correcting it. Regards, 21:49, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I can see you moved 10:28, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC) : I think that United States musicians is more in line with Wikipedia naming conventions. Discussion at 04:10, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
=License=
HI, I couldn t figure under which license your photos were released. On fr: wp, we use : There are a few photos of mine I care about, I think I ve specified 19:46, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
=Double Redirect=
Don t put Under construction messages at non-existant articles. That s considered pointless and a waste of everyone s time. Leave the link blank until you re ready to put an article there. -- Infrogmation 18:08, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
:The article in question was a Double Redirect to a Non-Existent Page and is part of a much larger project to document Awards and decorations of the United States military and Military badges of the United States. It was not pointless or a waste of time. It was a space holder until I have time to write the article. -User:Husnock
:: Your new article at 19:05, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
= July, 2004 =
= =
Hello, please take a look at one of the other state categories, such as 20:06, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
: Thank you for your help. -- 20:50, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
= Stege =
Why did you delete . do you think all of them should be deleted 01:43, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC) : If you wish to expand on the Stege is a 02:00, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
= Dwight D. Eisenhower=
I notice you reverted a table to old style markup on this page. Is there an problem with the new style I didn t notice a difference in how it displayed. 16:05, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)
: I reverted 3 edits back to undo the loss of the photo and the addition of a spamed link. I was then planing to redo the more recent markup edit, but I didn t see any difference in how it was displayed either, so I didn t bother. I have no objection to the markup being either way if anyone else has a preference. Cheers, -- 16:15, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
=Introducing Epigraphs=
Whenever you see a brief, apt quote at the head of a Wikipedia article, an attention-grabbing phrase that sums up some aspect of what is to follow, it s called an epigraph. It works like a chord opening a Haydn symphony: an attention-getter. Sometimes a succinct epigraph is a stylish way to start an article, unless it becomes overused. Very little chance of that, apparently. Do you always remove any epigraph you see, and create a lead-footed category Quotes for bald lists of quotes As recently in 06:00, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
: Hi. I m quite familiar with epigraphs, and have used them myself in some of my music writing. I have no objection to them per-se, moving it to the Quotes section was done while I was doing other edits which I hope you will acknoledge made your fine article on 15:24, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Dear Infrogmation,
Thanks for your infrogmation :) I too have been contributing quite a bit (not like beaurocrats of the system for I hate beaurocracy and red-tapism!) I never liked my name being displayed anywhere - in a truly open world, we cannot claim anything as mine (my POV!). But I also know that the world is far from being ideal! I did feel that having a name has some advantages and so here I am, with an identity. And all of a sudden I am surprised at the so many enlightened ones trying to educate me. I wonder if this is an exhibition of their sense of supremacy or is it a blind arrongance/ignorance or is this a real noble deed! Just like everybody else, I too consider all my fellow humans as idiots :)
For 00:09, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
= LDBear =
Thanks for the tips! I especially appreciate the Manual of Style. I never could find it, and another user who kept changing my formatting on another article never did respond. Thanks again! LD 05:42, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
= Category:Defunct companies =
I have some doubts about placing 21:47, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
: Okay. Remove it from that category if you think it s not appropriate. Cheers, -- 21:49, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
= Sax pic =
Hi, Infrogmation, I tried my hand at writing 12:59, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
= Washboard pic =
Hi, I love your 21:28, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
= Jeopardy! =
Whoops! Thanks for catching my mistake on this article. I totally forgot to check the history - I d been listing that user s articles for speedy deletion and didn t notice that he d tampered with an existing article. All his other contribs had been new pages full of crap. Thanks for reverting before someone deleted the article! - 05:04, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
= Swap pages =
How can I swap the pages 16:30, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
: I took care of the move. You might wish to check What links here and change the pages that link to the redirect to link directly to the article. Cheers, -- 16:45, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
= August, 2004 =
= Tincalconite et al =
Totally agree with you. The pictures need articles. I will work through the list tomorrow again and create stubs for the images without text. Please be patient, and thanks for the comment -- 15:59, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC) :Went to create articles today after work, but somebody beat me to it. I added only some more content, and there is a reasonable stub now. -- 14:21, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Huastec vs. Huaxtec =
Huastec is fine, too. This is a similar situation as that of Tezcoco vs. Texcoco vs. Tetzcoco . The original Nahuatl for this term very probably had x (the English sh sound) rather than s ... BUT that term itself might already suffer from malinterpretation, because the Teenek people (as the Huastecs call themselves, compare with Mayan s analogous winik ) were referred to as Cuexteca by the Aztecs. Cuex in this term comes from Cuey + Teca as the /y/ always devoices and palatalizes in that context. Cuey is related to turn around ... and the story says that the Huastecs did indeed turned around (from Izapa, perhaps) and returned to where they had already came, Pánuco. A portion of their population did remain at or near Izapa: the Chicomulcetecos. So, perhaps, Huaxtec hu and /a/ -> /e/ adjacent to a palatalization). IF Huaxtec is indeed a correct appelation, then a possible etymology is from Huax + Tecatl , where Huax is analogous to the Huax in Huaxyacac (Oaxaca). Thanks for the welcome you gave me and your notes. I see that we have some interests in common. It has turned out to be a real pleasure (addictive) to be able to contribute to the Wikipedia. -- 01:36GMT-6 : It s good to have another knowledgable contributor about Mesoamerican subjects here. Huastec seems the more common spelling in English (checking google shows 2,900 hits for that spelling v/s 698 for Huaxtec ). The 14:47, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Painters =
Hi Infrogmation,
As I was recategorizing 15:17, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I have folded 20:05, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
: Looks good to me. Thanks. -- 21:55, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Ryan Stiles =
You changed the entry about Ryan Stiles to state that he is a United States actor instead of American actor . I believe this should be reverted back to American or North American , as he works in and has lived in Canada as well (his parents were Canadian). To my knowledge he still does stand-up in Vancouver from time-to-time.
: Fine by me. -- 03:10, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Page blanking =
Hi, just thought I d point out that you and I share two things. 1. We both live(d) in New Orleans (Tulane U.). 2. We both had our user pages blanked by User:217.206.214.197. Other folks reverted my page. I took the liberty of reverting yours. 13:44, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC) : Thanks. -- 20:35, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Carpet viper =
You were too quick with 04:33, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
: Ok. Restored. -- 04:38, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Wallace Stevens =
I understand the motivation behind changing American to United States in this article: American can refer to anywhere in the Americas, and for the U.S. to claim the title alone is a bit strange, if not arrogant. But : however strange or arrogant it may be, (1) English-speakers understand that American means of or pertaining to the United States of America, and (2) using United States as an adjective is cacophonous and awkward, since there s no English equivalent to, say, the Spanish estadounidense . I hope I don t sound captious. I say all of this in earnest. Perhaps I ve missed something, or perhaps the Wikipedian standard is to use United States instead of American —tell me where I ve gone wrong. 01:04, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC) : Hi. I don t see you ve done anything wrong . The nationality of biography subjects is usually mentioned towards the start of the article. I was doing a few quick spot edits to articles in process of the category naming adjustment, and I think on the Stevens article changed the unlinked term American into a link to United States . If you prefer American in the text, the form 01:19, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC) :: Cool. Thanks! 06:45, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Fox 25 =
Since pages for television stations are usually allowed on Wikipedia, I looked up the proper call letters for the station ( 05:41, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC) : Good. I suspected that Fox 25 might not have been a unique name. -- 05:44, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= New B-Movie Bandit template =
I went ahead and took your excellent suggestion to heart and came up with 08:15, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hoo boy, did I open a can of worms. There are only about four hours left on the admin nomination, and if it fails, I d like to talk to you about active ways of putting the B-Movie Bandit to bed once and for all. - 19:24, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Just got your message. Thanks again, and believe me I appreciate your initial idea. If I don t get the adminship, I d still like to work to end the problem as I said. - 20:55, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
: Thank you. Some of us should try putting our heads together about the B-Movie Bandit pest. I ll post some thoughts on your user talk page soon. -- 21:00, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
*It s a nice feeling to have community support on this. Here s my response from my talk page, and thanks again.
Add to that list whacked-out verb tenses, a repeat of the title in the edit summary, no wikis and no real content. In the case of actors, the content is nothing more than the name of the show(s) and the years they appeared in it: Joe Smith is an actor who appears in Soap Opera from 1966 to 1977. Or, John Jones is an actor who appears in such movies as The Movie Name and The Other Movie . If the listing is for a movie, the content isn t much different: The 1988 thriller Really Thrilling Movie stars Joe Smith, John Jones, Mary Cooper and Jane Walker . Such is the kind of content we re cleaning up. Great idea about a discussion page. - 02:31, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Frog, you rock! That talk page is the greatest idea since the proverbial sliced bread. - 22:12, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
: Thanks. I assume you are talking about 22:17, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
*Ah, you assume correctly. I understand Jimbo Wales himself is about to weigh in on this nincompoop. - 20:44, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Curtis Kearns =
i recently posted the Curtis Kearns Article. I live in albany, Ohio. And i was updating a little of the local political news, and i thought i would make a page for him. I know the guy Personally, and he has been toying with the idea of running in the future. Hes a local political activist, founder of a local Young Democrats of Ohio Chapter, stuff like that.
: If you can t show the person is of some note and encyclopedic interest, the deletion request someone made for the article will probably go through. It looks rather like a vanity article, which is not within the purpose of Wikipedia. -- 04:12, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
=Grammy year pages=
Hi, we seem to be working at cross-purposes. I removed all the header formatting from the couple of Grammy year pages that had them, to make the format consistent throughout the years. I see you ve just added them to Grammy Awards of 1991. Looks like we need to come up with a standard strategy :)
I dislike using headers in these articles because the sections are so small - a line across the page every few awards looks messy to me. The table of contents also seems more of a problem than an asset to me, such a long box for such little benefit.
So what do you think I think the current format (on all years other than 1991) works well. And, whatever we decide, I d like to make sure all years are the same. Regards -- 09:49, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
: I find having section is useful when I wish to make some spot edits. However as occasional spot edits are about all I expect to do on the Grammy pages, I ll defer to those who work with those pages more closely. Further discussionon your talk page. Cheers, -- 14:53, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
::Thanks for the reply, more on my talk page :) -- 15:18, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
=Thanks=
Hi, thanks for the link to 20:42, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)
=Thanks for undoing my revert (I think)=
Hmm, I thought procedure was for a candidate to indicate that they were to withdraw, and then someone else should remove the discussion. (This in case irregularities occurred or so). In this case there s certainly been irregularities and strangeness that should be followed up sometime, so thinking along those lines, I reverted.
I could be entirely wrong on this, hmm, I ll reread procedures.
Have a nice evening! 21:22, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
: No big deal, I think. You just need to know any nominee is free to withdraw their name from consideration if they wish. Cheers, -- 21:33, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
P.S.: I ll reread em too, in case something significant changed since last time I read them.... Hey, I ve been here so long I can recall the days before the voting procedure... one day I was just bitten by a Spiderman, and woke up with admin powers... 
-- Infrog
= Blocking =
Could you explain to me why you blocked 21:01, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
: Shquid s vandalism was unusually dramatic, and I think my blocking him quite appropriate. I m sorry if a good user got unintentially got autoblocked at the same time. (Such problems seem to only happen as far as I know only on occasion with certain isps; especially AOL I think) Are you able to access Wikipedia ok now -- 21:12, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
::Yes, I m fine now, but I m afraid that your well-meaning block was misdirected. After all, it was probably a newbie test with uploading files. 12:15, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::: As far as I could tell, ALL of that user s edits were vandalism. --
=Dog cart photos=
Hey there; you uploaded the dog cart photos 00:23, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC) : Oh my! I d forgotten all about uploading those. That was no doubt part of the batch of photos I uploaded to illustrate the 01:48, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::Thanks for adding info. I m trying to assemble a list of free-distr/GFDL images related to dogs in the repository someone started at 04:22, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= programming language classifier =
Hi, Infrogmation. I need to ask your help as sysop regarding a matter that involves the naming of programming language articles. You may recall our conversation not too long ago about Tampico and whether or it should be moved to Tampico, Tamaulipas and so on for the rest of cities in Mexico (somebody did just that yesterday, by the way). Well, regarding programming languages, the current Wikipedia policy is very scantily defined in ).
A week ago, in the middle of a very large categorization effort on my part (see but always within a very reasonable debating environment. I agreed with Stan to leave things as they were until all interested parties reached a consensus. That was fine for all of us involved.
Well, the problem I need to ask your help with is that as of yesterday, which is now split in two. As an aside, , for example).
Thanks for reading this and in advance for any help you can provide us to avoid seeing this issue complicated even more. — 05:41, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
:I just spotted this on here. I have to say that this is very typical behaviour from Taku. There were endless problems on .
= Don Chevrier =
Hi, thanks for taking interest in my Don Chevrier article. I heard Don for the first time announce a badminton game during the 2004 Olympic Games on NBC. He completely sucked me into a game I knew nothing about (except that it was supposed to be cheesy ). His Olympic coverage of table tennis likewise drew me in. His bio can be found [http://www.nbcolympics.com/commentators/5019123/detail.html here]. It looks like this guy has enchanted more people than just me, so I figured he deserved an entry. I couldn t find another bio that wasn t (potentially) copyrighted, and I m not much of an author, so I figured I d prompt others to write about him. As I learn more about this, to me, incredible man; I ll contribute more, but I just figured I d get the fire started. 08:24, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC) : As you started a substub, I suspected you knew a bit more. I expanded the 14:38, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC) :: Also, you ve just taught me how 14:43, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
=Gramophone record=
No problem - I thought someone was gonna make a bot do it
: This is not the first time I ve seen people more eager to spend energy arguing to move a page than to lend a hand to fixing the links. Hm, think it might help if I threatened to move the page back again Ah well, -- 02:28, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
You must have a huge collection BTW. I can t help being reminded of
= Thanks for your help at =
Thanks for helping to keep the backlog down to a manageable size. For a time I thought I was the only one doing this, and it took up quite a large chunk of the time I can devote to Wikipedia. (Still does, because I insist on checking and verifying all these claims.) And despite my efforts, the backlog actually grew in the first two weeks of August until you came along! So, thanks a lot.
: Done. --
=Things=
05:38, 2004 Aug 28 (UTC)
:I think these are all done now. I m afraid I ve been a bit inconsistent regarding links like 05:55, 2004 Aug 28 (UTC)
:: Many thanks. There are a few articles where specifically saying something like disc record helps (mostly when it needs distinguishing from cylinder records) but in most case I m sure either way is fine. I think I ve already taken care of at least the great majority of articles where such distinction was appropriate. Thanks again for your work in taking care of a flock of links! Yay! Best wishes, -- 06:03, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
= Thank you for your welcome message =
Thank you very much for your welcome. I already enjoy very much being a wikipedian in the Spanish version, where I m more confident with my grammar, spelling and syntax feelings . But this enormous English wikipedia is a huge temptation, so I sometimes spoil something here. Please let me know if I spoil too much! 11:05, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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