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=Request for assistance or mediation=

As mentioned in my 19:18, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Information below provide valuable evidence and other related materials of this dispute. — 19:18, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

=Ongoing discussions=

06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

09:52, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

(Note: this list will be updated from time to time)

=Updates=

==Update on Mar 29==

SchmuckyTheCat is *depopulating has not been closed. She/he has also been moving around articles *from , and *from . *The list of airports in Mainland China was moved to list of airports in the People s Republic of China, and

06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

(Note: the lists below will be updated from time to time)

===Changing titles===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Elections_in_mainland_China&action=history Elections in mainland China moved to Elections in the People s Republic of China #1] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Elections_in_mainland_China&action=history Elections in mainland China moved to Elections in the People s Republic of China #2] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_political_parties_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&action=history List of political parties in mainland China moved to List of political parties in the People s Republic of China #1] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_political_parties_in_mainland_China&action=history List of political parties in mainland China moved to List of political parties in the People s Republic of China #2] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Talk%3AList_of_airports_in_mainland_China&diff=next&oldid=11637428 Talk:List of airports in mainland China (his comment)] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Talk:List_of_airports_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=last Talk:List of airports in the People s Republic of China (his comment)] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_airports_in_mainland_China&action=history List of airports in mainland China moved to List of airports in the People s Republic of China #1] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_airports_in_the_People s_Republic_of_China&action=history List of airports in mainland China moved to List of airports in the People s Republic of China #2] — 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

===Depopulating categories===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Road_Traffic_Safety_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=11542503&diff=next Road Traffic Safety Law of the People s Republic of China] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Category:Chinese_numbered_policies&oldid=11426203&diff=next Category:Chinese numbered policies] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=People%27s_Republic_of_China%27s_trademark_law&oldid=11426222&diff=next People s Republic of China s trademark law] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Hukou&oldid=11575465&diff=next Hukou] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Anti-Secession_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=11575272&diff=next Anti-Secession Law of the People s Republic of China] — 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Category:Elections_in_mainland_China&oldid=11634876&diff=next Category:Elections in mainland China] (category pseudo-deleted) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Elections_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&diff=0&oldid=11635107&diff=next Elections in mainland China (retitled by SchmuckyTheCat already)] — 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Category%3APolitical_parties_in_mainland_China&diff=11635513&oldid=11632099 Category:Political parties in mainland China] (category pseudo-deleted) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Communist_Party_of_China&diff=11634873&oldid=11631584 Communist Party of China] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Inner_Mongolian_People%27s_Party&oldid=11631673&diff=next Inner Mongolian People s Party] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Revolutionary_Committee_of_the_Kuomintang&oldid=11635177&diff=next Revolutionary Committee of the Kuomintang] — 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Category:Youth_wings_of_political_parties_of_mainland_China&oldid=11636423&diff=next Category:Youth wings of political parties of mainland China] (adding to speedy deletion) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Communist_Youth_League&oldid=11636398&diff=next Communist Youth League] — 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Category%3AAirports_of_mainland_China&diff=0&oldid=11636884 Category:Airports of mainland China] (changed to redirect) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_airports_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&diff=11636936&oldid=11636923 List of airports in mainland China (retitled by SchmuckyTheCat already)] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Shenzhen_Bao%27an_International_Airport&oldid=11636266&diff=next Shenzhen Bao an International Airport] — 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

===Other edits===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Template:Politics_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=11635143&diff=next Template:Politics of the People s Republic of China] (adding category) — 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

===Did not respect poll result===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Sar&action=history Sar] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=SAR&action=history SAR] — 06:04, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

==Update on April 2==

===Not sticking with naming conventions regarding political NPOV===

This [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Economy_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&diff=11789187&oldid=11773489 series of edits] ( seems clearly not following the naming conventions. He replaced all references to mainland China with China , effectively equating the two terms.

In this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Tian_Tan_Buddha&oldid=11769981&diff=next edit] (Tian Tan Buddha), she/he s implying Taiwan not part of China, which is not a NPOV.

===Changing titles===

By the way, she/he s been moving list of companies in the People s Republic of China to list of companies in mainland China (at 01:41 Apr 2). I have moved it back just now. :Update: 16:31, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

She/he moved

communications in mainland China to communications in the People s Republic of China ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Communications_in_mainland_China&action=history at 20:58, Apr 1]),

*media in China to media in the People s Republic of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Communications_in_China&action=history 20:36, Apr 1]), *Internet in China to Internet in the Peope s Republic of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Internet_in_China&action=history 20:45, Apr 1]), *media in China to media in the People s Republic of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Media_in_China&action=history 20:47, Apr 1]), *capital punishment in mainland China to capital punishment in the People s Republic of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Capital_punishment_in_mainland_China&action=history 20:35, Apr 1]) *cinema of mainland China to cinema of the People s Republic of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Cinema_of_mainland_China&action=history 19:42, Apr 1])

===Moving articles between categories===

She/he moved the following articles from *Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Chinese_Academy_of_Social_Sciences&oldid=11770801&diff=next 20:30, Apr 1]) *People s Bank of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=People%27s_Bank_of_China&diff=next&oldid=11770776 20:29, Apr 1]) *Civil service of the People s Republic of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Civil_service_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&diff=prev&oldid=11772401 19:27, Apr 1])

She/he has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=PICC&oldid=11773122&diff=next rewritten] the 08:23, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

==Update on April 5==

===Depopulating categories===

She/he has also removed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Ping_An_of_China&oldid=11905992&diff=next Ping An of China] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=PICC&oldid=11773122&diff=next PICC] from .

===Moving articles between categories===

Further, she/he has set up to it.

See also the discussion at 09:20, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

==Update on April 6==

===Changing titles===

*Internet in China to Internet in the People s Republic of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Internet_in_China&action=history 20:45, Apr 1, 2005]) *Police in mainland China to Police in the People s Republic of China (at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Police_in_mainland_China&action=history 15:03, Apr 5, 2005])

===Moving articles between categories===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Xinhua_News_Agency&oldid=11917235&diff=next Xinhua News Agency] (from ) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=China_News_Service&oldid=11917296&diff=next China News Service] (from ) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Ministry_of_Finance_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=11917448&diff=next Ministry of Finance of the People s Republic of China] (from )

===Populating disputed categories===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=11916671&diff=next Law of the People s Republic of China] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Administrative_Litigation_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=11916883&diff=next Administrative Litigation Law of the People s Republic of China] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Custody_and_repatriation&oldid=11917520&diff=next Custody and repatriation] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=National_Judicial_Exam&oldid=11917541&diff=next National Judicial Exam] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Traditional_Chinese_law&oldid=11917609&diff=next Traditional Chinese law] (see also ) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Norinco&oldid=11917437&diff=next Norinco]

===New categories and populating new categories===

==Update on April 10==

===New categories and populating new categories===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Protestantism_in_China&oldid=12097588&diff=next Protestantism in China]

==Update on April 12==

===Changing the content from mainland China to China or PRC ===

===Changing the format of presentation of mainland China and Hong Kong===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_railway_companies&oldid=12172042&diff=next List of railway companies] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_railway_stations&oldid=12171990&diff=next List of railway stations] — 06:59, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

==Update on April 13==

===Forcing inclusion of Hong Kong and Macao to mainland China-related articles===

*List of airports in mainland China was moved to List of airports in the People s Republic of China at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_airports_in_mainland_China&action=history 04:58, 29 Mar 2005] by SchmuckyTheCat. Huaiwei [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_airports_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&diff=12205315&oldid=12204622 added] airports of Hong Kong and Macao onto the list. *Economy of China (with the note at the top stating the article is about economy of mainland China) was moved to Economy of the People s Republic of China at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Economy_of_China&action=history 01:03, 2 Apr 2005] by SchmuckyTheCat. Huaiwei [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Economy_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&diff=12107460&oldid=12102973 added] (and SchmuckyTheCat [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Economy_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=12107460&diff=next slightly revised] a bit after that) the economies of Hong Kong and Macao. — 22:37, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

==Update on April 18==

===Changing the content from mainland China to China or PRC ===

===Moving articles between categories===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Special_economic_zone_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&diff=12485068&oldid=11442985 Special economic zone of the People s Republic of China] (from ) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Chinese_economic_reform&oldid=12488559&diff=next Chinese ecnomic reform] (from ) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=Closer_Economic_Partnership_Arrangement&oldid=12487324&diff=next Closer Economic Partnership Arrangement] (from ) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_companies_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China&oldid=12490124&diff=next List of companies in the People s Republic of China] (moved from ) — 21:28, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

==Update on April 21==

===Changing the content from mainland China to China or PRC ===

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=List_of_colleges_and_universities_by_country&oldid=12555707&diff=next List of collages and universities by country] (took off the words mainland China ) *[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.phptitle=East_China_Sea&oldid=12616232&diff=next East China Sea] (effectively implying Taiwan not part of China) — 17:15, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

=My response to =

It is nice that SchmuckyTheCat has listed everything out in such a detailed manner. The previous RFC on myself provides precious comments from other users regarding my actions on Wikipedia.

In fact, most of the conflicts between SchmuckyTheCat and I are around the use of mainland China , and Hong Kong-related topics. — 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

==Over the use of mainland China ==

Regarding Instantnood created the category Laws of mainland China . He began moving some articles to it, in spite of the concensus not to, and began creating new articles to populate it instead of populating Laws of the People s Republic of China.

I have never created any articles on laws of the PRC/laws of mainland China. The only new article I have created, . What I did was categorised it.

At does not apply.

COSCO is a TNC. It has operations in many countries. Are we going to categorised it according to the place of its incorporation, or categorised it to every single place it has business It is pretty clear that it is a company from mainland China.

, and I agree with it. I am pretty sure Jiang would agree that this law is a law within mainland China.

Furthermore, Category:..of mainland China and category:..of the PRC are not parallel structures. Mainland China ≠ People s Republic of China. The categories for mainland China that I have created are subcategory of the PRC categories.

Like many other matters, administration of country parks is the business of the Hong Kong Government. Country parks in Hong Kong are not the national parks of the PRC. Adding country parks in Hong Kong to 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding He also gamed it, the initial proposal was a discussion, not a poll. So when, two weeks later, he decided to make it a poll, those objections didn t count .

I stated explicitly at the top of the section 17:42, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

==Victoria City==

At SchmuckyTheCat took part, has no consensus either. The so called consensus was between she/he and Huaiwei.

Throughout the discussion, I did admit Victoria City s status as the capital is not a formal one, but she/he and Huaiwei declined to accept its status as de facto , regardless of the fact that many different sources support it. I have attempted to add a sentence into the articles ( 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

==3RR==

I have made my position clear 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

==Minor edits==

I don t think there s any problem for marking reverts as minor edit. No content has actually been changed from previous versions. Some sysops also mark reverts as minor edits when they re rolling back. Interestingly, SchmuckyTheCat did 11:04, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)