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Main Page/Browse bar

The following was moved from | 08:50, 2005 May 29 (UTC)

: ...I honestly don t understand why people want to browse by article titles, so I don t want such things emphasized. ::Please elaborate on both points.-- :::Agreed with Cyrius: the all-caps browse bar is ugly. It would also help, IMHO, if it stays in a more attractive format (or even in the ugly ofrmat) to move it below the pink/blue coloured boxes. As it stands, it s an eyesore. Also, a Wiki in other languages thing would be better... the Polish main page is much more compact... having said that, I only like the way they handled the languages, the rest of the Polish main page is too boxy for my taste... 04:20, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC) ::::Well, I guess ugly is a type of feedback, even if not particularly useful. Would you prefer it if it was capitalized normally, or in a different font--

: (I) don t see the use of browsing from top level categories though.

:Category pages combine both: a quick introduction, and a way to locate specific subjects. Take ::See, I look at the lists in 05:28, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC) :::Well, could the eye-glazing have something to do with the fact that you re not actually looking for something in that category -- ::::Possibly. -- 06:14, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC) :::: I often look for mathematics articles, and my eyes also glaze over. Looking through a list of all articles related to a given subject , with no differentiation based on importance, and no organization other than alpha by title, is not conducive to efficient (or even very enjoyable) browsing for categories with more than 30 or 40 articles.

. :The categorizers have defined 6-7 classes already. Eloquence, would you have supported the browser bar if it did not have Math, Physics, Philosophy and instead had the classes that they had settled on: Nature, Humanity, Human Society, Culture, Technology, Abstraction, Fundamental Some of the article intro pages such as Culture need some work. 06:03, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

::Humanity / Human Society / Culture are a little too much overlap for my taste. So are Abstraction and Fundamental. The listed categories should be the fundamental ones, I think.-- ::: Human (not humanity) and Society are different categories. It is not smart to subsitite human to Humanity. 16:35, 2004 Aug 29 (UTC) :::If we are going to use the categories we have there, then shouldn t any visitor or user be able to access any category going through categories from one of those categories. In other words, if I wanted to get to the Category:Media I should be able to choose one of those categories, choose another category, etc. until I get to Category:Media. - 10:08, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::::Agreed. However, I maintain that this should be doable with at most 7 links. The current setup can clearly be optimized - for example, both physics and mathematics are sciences .--

:: 10:39, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::: I not agree to see Academia at top level. It violates 16:35, 2004 Aug 29 (UTC)

=Formatting=

: I think that all-caps browse bar is incredibly ugly...

: Agreed with Cyrius: the all-caps browse bar is ugly. It would also help, IMHO, if it stays in a more attractive format (or even in the ugly ofrmat) to move it below the pink/blue coloured boxes. As it stands, it s an eyesore. Also, a Wiki in other languages thing would be better... the Polish main page is much more compact... having said that, I only like the way they handled the languages, the rest of the Polish main page is too boxy for my taste...

:ARE YOU SCREAMING WHY IS THAT IN ALL CAPS OH THE 04:26, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC) ::In case you aren t just being facetious, the reason for all-caps is that it makes the navigation bar stand out from the introductory paragraph without having to resort to color or borders. Try it with normal capitalization and you will see what I mean. FWIW, if you wanted to imitate the style of the Main Page, you would have needed to write:

::ARE YOU SCREAMING | WHY IS THAT IN ALL CAPS | OH THE

::The key difference here being that the text is in slightly smaller size, and there is no punctuation. The combination of these stylistic elements should reduce the screaming effect which you so subtly allude to.--

:Small caps 04:30, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::I agree with Dysprosia - or maybe put it in boldface I also think it should go below the welcome paragraph. 04:44, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

::: : It helps, I ve put them in place.

Wow, it s almost cute now. :) 05:01, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC) :CSS has a small caps style ( font-variant: small-caps ), which looks better than emulating it with <small>. 05:12, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::That it does. Now in use. -- 05:26, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

: I love the idea and think it really makes it easier from the perspective of both the visitor and the user. I don t like the small caps, but I agree with it being there.

= Change to the Browse bar 9/15/2005 =

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#becoming_a_member Change to the Browse bar 9/15/2005] I broached the subject of the change to the Browse bar at the Reference Desk page at the link listed. Please feel free to discuss today s occurrence here or there. I would imagine the loss of the link to the Portal page is a little bit of a shock and that some Wikipedians might like to discuss all this here or there, at the link listed. Regards, 00:28, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

There must be a graceful compromise available, if we can just air the concepts here or there, at the link listed.

Redwolf24, thank you for selecting option 2. 01:07, 16 September 2005 (UTC)