Non-English-based programming languages

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TODO: Disscuss abit about history of programming languages, in relation to the use of english, please somebody who knows about it (I don t), where most langs dev d by native english speakers is it just a part of the tendency to use english as a technical language, being technically richer (as reported in E. Raymond essay)

=APL =

Surely APL should be in this list

= Created in a different language =

the created in a diffrent language category, I ve heard of one such language based on Russian, I forgot the name, nor did I have any reliable info.

=Reported Translated languages =

in the translated category: *I ve heard of a version of WISDOM-prolog from the Weizmann-Institude-of-Science-Department-Of-Mathematics, with hebrew keywords, directed at school-children. *I ve seen a korean version of H-forth

=Punctuation as language=

That s an interesting question: does punctuation count as natural language

=Category:Programming languages=

I noticed a contributor has removed this article from 14:52, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

:Hi, Wernher. The way it is now, all items in the Category:Prog langs are indeed prog langs, and the category serves as dynamic list (without the problems of synchronization that the alphabetical list article has). If you take a look at the Subcategories, you ll see that by their own nature, they give rise to lists of programming languages (say, the LISP subcategory -> list of Lisp-related prog langs, and so on). Perhaps we should make an attempt to standardize on the subcategory naming convention, though. The other possible way to use the Category/subcategory hierarchy would be to use the subcategories to actually hold the links to their languages, rather than the Prog Lang category; but this approach has several disadvantages: languages could end up in both the category and subcategory, and there would be no equivalent to the current de facto alphabetical list produced by the category (in fact, if we stick to a consistent interpretation of the category elements, we don t need the List of Prog Langs in Alphabetical Order article any more). Furthermore, if a consensus is reached on how to use the subcategories, we might end up not needing the List of Categorical prog langs article either. One more thing... I did remove HQ9plus as a programming language, but left it as an esoteric one, on the grounds that since it is easier to come up with a valid new esoteric language than with a full-blown language entry, eventually we would end up with a Prog Langs category with an overwhelming majority of esoteric mini-langs over the real langs. ... Anyway, going back to your comment, if anybody is going to take a look at the Category:Programming languages it is actually going to be easier for them to spot non-english based languages page as a subcategory (they come first and are much fewer) and the net effect will still be the same as if it had been listed further down. Please let me know what you think, wish you a good day

::Hi, and thanks for the quick and enlightening answer to my query. As per your suggestion I have now put the article into the N-E-b.p.l. category (I hadn t discovered its existence when posting my q above, sorry). As you ll notice, I ve used the category sorting feature to place the article first on the page, to highlight it as the defining article of the category. One might also link to it in the cat intro, but I think including it in the category as such is appropriate, as that helps readers who are surfing to the article without being aware of the category to become so. A good day to you too. -- 16:05, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC) :::You re welcome, Wernher, and I m glad we have consensus. Your comment regarding the defining article of the category left me thinking... Have you considered the fact that the Non-English-based programming languages article is really an article about a category of programming languages... in which case, wouldn t it actually make sense to have the article BE the category (i.e., have all the text in the article moved to the category article) and still keep Non-English-based programming languages as a REDIRECT to Category:Non-English-based programming languages ... a nice side effect of this move would be that the actual list of neb prog langs would be automatically and dynamically produced... removing the need for that known neb prog langs subsection on the current article. Cheers