WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria/Archive8

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=Summary=

Stub-type creation: Bank-stub, Retail-stub, Comp-sci-stub, Crater-stub, Mammal-stub, Bird-stub, Reptile-stub, Fish-stub, Invertebrate-stub, Pre-columbian-stub

Stub-type deletion: Shanama-stub, Secur-stub, Lake-stub, Andorra-geo-stub, Texas-stub

Stub-type discussions: Important-stub, Corp-stub, Org-stub, Struct-stub, Bio-stubs as a group

Stub-type proposals not enacted: Library-stub, Comm-stub, Cerem-stub, Scholar-stub, Professor-stub, Child-book-stub, Greek-myth-stub, Digimon-stub, Fict-char-stub, Fict-bio-stub, bio-fict-stub, Native-America-Myth-Stub, Public-transport-stub

=Division of *Created*=

The stub category is curently at 11 pages and growing. Before it becomes the next , I propose two subdivisions: # for banks, brokerage houses, insurance companies, and other finacial businesses. # for retail businesses. -- 14:33, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC) *There are certainly a huge number of bank stubs, and the parent cat does need splitting. You;d have to be careful with the wording of retail-stub though, to make it clear that it is the shops not the products 00:41, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) **I had planned on This

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The 22:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC) :A few articles to add here (only checked 0-9 and A, B-Z are unchecked): :*2-3 heap :*2-3-4 trees :*a.out :*AA tree :*ACL2 theorem prover :*ADO.NET :*ANTLR :*ASPI :*Ab Initio :*Absolute address :*Abstract data structure :*Abstract state machine :*Abstract syntax tree :*Abstraction inversion :*Active Template Library :*Aggregation (object-oriented programming) :*Alias method :*Alter (SQL) :*Alternating finite automaton :*Artificial chemistry :*Artificial general intelligence :*Atomicity :*Automated planning :*Axiomatic semantics :– 22:58, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

*It is likely that would be confused with with people unsure of the difference between programming and software. I would recommend using for computer science related stubs. The majority of the stubs you listed are clearly topics that would be taught in a computer science academic program. -- 00:31, May 3, 2005 (UTC) **Agreed, and it does sound like a useful category. I can remember umming and aahing about what to do with a stub for something like baud rate a while back - compu-sci-stub would have been very useful for that. 01:22, 3 May 2005 (UTC) **Good idea, I just changed the proposal. – 22:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

=*created*=

This would be a place for any 01:45, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) :It should be named differently, since craters on on Earth go into their respective geo-stub subcategory. Maybe --  22:45, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::Not all stub names are perfect; is for politics in democracies in general, for instance. I used crater because, when people think of off-planet feature, they think of craters. But the text in the template would be This article about a geological feature of the Solar System not on Earth is a stub... Crater is just an easily-remembered tag for those of us categorizing stubs. 00:02, 1 May 2005 (UTC) :I m pretty strongly against the name astro-geo-stub, since all the geo-stubs relate to places on earth - after all, that s what geo means (I know astro means star, but it has a much wider general meaning, too). Technically, you should never talk about the geography of another planet (It s selenography for the moon, and IIRC areaography and cythereography for Mars and Venus). using geo for that is about as bad as the idea of using bug for invertebrates mentioned in a previous section. 01:43, 1 May 2005 (UTC) ::Oops, got geology and geography mixed up. How embarrassing... But I m still against . Maybe --  04:54, 1 May 2005 (UTC) ::: isn t just for banks; it covers any financial institution (insurance, stockbrokers, etc.). But is easy to remember, so we stub-sorters use that instead of or something. I m perfectly aware that Earth has craters, both impact and volcanic, but when people think off-Earth, crater is the main common item that comes to mind. That s why I used it as shorthand for off-Earth features. 19:33, 1 May 2005 (UTC) Created today; almost 50 in it. 22:29, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

=Subdivide animal stubs *all 5 created*=

: This one was in the wrong place on the list, so I ve just moved it down here

There are currently something like 1300 articles listed in 13:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

**A good idea, but maybe worth starting with one or two of the obviously big groups first, rather than doing all of them at once. That will avoid creating stub categories when there aren t many stubs (when you remove, say, birds, insects and mammals, you might find there aren t many worms or arthropods in there). 13:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I would propose a as a sub-group as well; all these dinosaurs et. al. would be more appreciated if there were listed as such, and so receive much more attention... and concerning the proposition above: and for starters, perhaps 14:12, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Firstly, apologies for the misplacement.

:I have looked through the first hundred or so articles listed in (i.e. those beginning with A), to see which groups were commonest there. I have probably made lots of errors, but the groups with more than 5 members in that 100-odd seem to be: :*Mammals (a huge group, even without breeds of domestic animals) :*Fish :*Birds :*Reptiles (excluding dinosaurs) :*Dinosaurs :*Insects :*Arthropods (excluding insects) :There was only one amphibian among them, and few worms, jellyfish, starfish, molluscs, etc. Would it be better to have dinosaurs and insects as subcategories of reptiles and arthropods respectively, as would be logical, or to keep them as equal to the others, because of the numbers of articles involved -- 15:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::Might I suggest simplifying things a little by having Mammals, Fish, Birds, Reptiles, Prehistoric animals*, and Invertebrates This gets around two problems: 1) people putting non-dinosaurs (such as pteranodon, plesiosaurus and dimetrodon) into a category simply by not realising the difference, and 2) allowing arthropods, insects and things like worms all to go into one slightly larger category. 06:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) :*Instrad of Invertebrates , I would suggest for insects and arthropods. This will prevent jellyfish and other aquatic invertibrates from being grouped with land dwelling insects. -- 11:46, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC) ::Good point. Bug-stub s got a nice ring to it, too! 04:24, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::* I disagree (quite strongly). Bug , as well as being an Americanism for any arthropod, is also a globally-accepted term referring solely to 08:04, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) :You ve got a decent point there, of course. Bug is definitely an Americanism... invertebrate-stub is a much better name for it overall - the only thing that worries me is that longer template names mean more work :). BTW, I don t know about Australia either, but I suspect that it s not common there either (it s certainly not common here in NZ). 08:55, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) *I have created , , (for reptiles and amphibians ), and . I think they work, but it s something I ve never done before, so please correct them if necessary. -- 10:24, 3 May 2005 (UTC) **They look good. I think the categories should probably lead into their respective animal types ( 13:00, 3 May 2005 (UTC) **Should 13:08, 3 May 2005 (UTC) ***No, because some microorganisms are protists and archaea and bacteria and fungi, which aren t animals. So we have a little problem--some small animals (like 21:45, 4 May 2005 (UTC) **Problem: places animals in a category called Reptile stubs rather than Reptile and Amphibian stubs . 20:55, 3 May 2005 (UTC) **Maybe make s text to be bird-related, expanding into genus, families, ornithology and birdwatching 00:02, May 4, 2005 (UTC) ***All good suggestions. I ve listed 07:32, 4 May 2005 (UTC) ****Would it be possible to create a redirect that s shorter than Something like I find myself skipping invertebrates instead of reclassifying them because of the length of the stub name. So I m lazy. Sue me. 21:45, 4 May 2005 (UTC) *****As a redirect, it wouldn t bother me. I deliberately chose not to name it in the first place because a) that seemed too colloquial, and b) invert has many meanings, the abbreviation for invertebrate being only one. I suppose it wasn t very likely that people would use it as a category for upside-down things, but I didn t feel like taking that risk. Consider it done. -- 07:34, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

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It s got a lovely image on it and everything, but the ( Sarah ) 02:16, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I think this is too specific, as evidenced by the small number of articles. A solution might be to look at 04:17, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)

:Now listed on tfd and cfd. 11:48, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::Now deleted by TFD. The category was previously deleted on CfD. - 23:16, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Just discovered this one - security stubs - which was hiding a few sociology stubs, military stubs, computer stubs and occupation stubs (now re-templated as such). Doubt if there will be more than a handful of specifically security related articles in total that aren t better suited to other categories. Anyone know anything about this one 07:14, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

support deletion through 04:11, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)

:Now listed on tfd and cfd. 11:48, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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At last count, there were only six Andorra geo-stubs, yet this hasn t stopped someone from creating this template and the related category. There s no Andorra WikiProject, and no chance that this category will ever be heavily populated. The person who created this has also been heavily featured on tfd in the past for his unneccessary Andorra and Switzerland articles. Did I mention that 02:24, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Horrible. Cuts clean across the existing geo-stub categories. No connected wiki project. Not created by WikiPorject member. Unneccessary, and likely to lead to sorters listing things as lakes instead of (rather than as well as) where they are. Wish I could speedy it! 23:51, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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*I ve tagged as articles fom the list of encyclopedic topics. That s a nice use for it, I think. 12:56, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

Importantstub: Currently only being used by newbies to tag unimporant articles, such as 04:07, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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I don t see the point of 20:13, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

No, better yet, I recommend we delete the categories and have the templates redirect to 20:16, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

: Please don t do the redirect. That makes it much more difficult to resort them. The reason for the organization and corporation stub was that prior to its creation, several organizations and corporations did not have appropriate stubs for them. And I certainly do not want to create a stub for every type of organization. We d end up with Humanitarian, Federal, Non-Profit, Computer companies, Software companies, etc. If we need to remove the stub, we can ask for a bot to do that for us. -- 00:25, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Another one to get rid of is struct-stub. Much like with org and corp, no one will go through these to find articles to fix. Rather, buildings/structures that are famous in a country (e.g., the Moscow Kremlin, the Gateway Arch, etc.) should be placename-stubs (or other, as appropriate), and architecture stubs should be architecture-stubs (currently nonexistent). Others also have appropriate categories (e.g., christianity-stub for St. Peter s Square), and any that don t will (I m guessing) be too few to sort. 17:02, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC) :See the discussion above about subdiving struct-stub. This should help. - ( Sarah ) 01:59, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::Yup, this is covered further up the page - although I think the idea of a arch-stub for general architecture terms is a very good one! 05:45, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

=Bio-stubs=

Since the real goal of stubs is for them to be found and fixed, I believe all biographical stubs should be moved to the stub categories to which that person related: senators to a US Legislature stub, etc. Nobody is an expert on people (virtually impossible) and thus nobody is going to search through bio-stubs. But an expert on the US Legislature or US History might know a lot about a senator, and would find it more easily this way. I recognize bio-stub is a large category; but the end goal is the fixing of stubs, and our goal is facilitating that. -- 05:33, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Oppose I understand the benefits of this, but I think it is equally useful to have a holding area for uncategorized biography stubs in order to segregate them from the unchategorized masses of general stubs. It would be a useful 05:46, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC)

**This is exactly where 02:36, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) *It might be more useful to create, say a politician-stub. - ( Sarah ) 16:07, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) :There are millions of politicians from all over the world. Replay my argument against bio-stubs. -- 23:20, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC) ::Yes, but there are not millions of stub articles about politicians. (And if we put all of the politicans in under politics, we ll have the same problem within that category, or whichever category we decide to use.) - ( Sarah ) 23:33, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) :This is where double-stubbing and/or region-splitting becomes a useful tool. My view is create a politician stub, and put that and a country-stub on the article. If a high proportion of politician stubs from any one country, then creating a separate country-politician-stub becomes viable. Canada has split its articles pretty thoroughly (and for the most part pretty well). There s no reason at all why the same couldn t be done with other large items which are distinctly tied to a particular country, and bio stubs in general seem a perfect candidate for that approach. 00:06, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::This approach sounds pretty good to me. ::-- 00:27, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

::How would this be incorporated into other categories Say science, would bios be subdivided into areas of knoledge physics, chemistry, maths, biology, etc... ::I think it is a good approach but it could be prone to scattering if not done under supervision. -- 01:45, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) ::That s why this project exists. -- 04:25, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

:Getting back to the top of this thread, are we generally agreed that out-right deletion of the 04:34, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC) ::I m in, hence the title change. -- 01:11, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

=Merge Texas stubs=

There s a Texas stub category and a Texas stubs category. Obviously there s only room for one Texas around here. Even I, from Texas myself, realizes Texas isn t quite big enough to have two stub categories. 06:39, May 5, 2005 (UTC) :Oh lordy. I ll start to put things in motion on tfd and cfd about this one straight away, since the longer it s left, the more trouble it will cause. 07:12, 5 May 2005 (UTC) UPDATE - 02:37, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

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Most of the libraries stubs have the United Kingdom buildings or structures stub (or whatever country they re in), see 15:06, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

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There is currently no stub category for general communications-related articles such as 04:39, 5 May 2005 (UTC) :That name s much too similar to , which is telecommunications. 05:55, 5 May 2005 (UTC) ::How about then 16:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

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There is currently no stub category for ceremony-related articles. There is one for festivals; however, several ceremonies (such as 04:39, 5 May 2005 (UTC) :Comment-This might cut across other stub types, I can think of a few, religion stubs and ethnology- or ethnic-group-related stubs for example. Might be something to consider. 05:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC) :: Well, I wondered about that. But really, is there any particular reason why a stub can t be listed in more than one stub category--for instance, one for being a ceremony and one for being related to a particular religion, political unit, ethnic group, etc. 16:12, 5 May 2005 (UTC) :::Not at all, people do it all the time. I just wanted to mention it, I think a good rule of thumb would be that it could satisfy the guidelines by itself, standing alone. Are there enough of them I don t remember running into that many as I ve sorted, but your experience may differ 00:18, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

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The other area I could dump a whole bunch of bio-stubs into are professors and researchers who don t fall into the scientist, biologist, or mathematician categories. Most of the time they are professors at universities, but I imagine there are many out there who are outside of academia, but still should be considered scholars. 06:28, May 5, 2005 (UTC) *I noticed below that has recently been created. Will this handle your needs -- 22:05, May 5, 2005 (UTC) *Yea, that will work fine 23:10, May 5, 2005 (UTC) *I have put a listing for this stub category on the 01:27, 2005 May 8 (UTC)

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Unless I am mistaken, there is no stub category for children s books. And we need one, badly. Look at , and you will see why. Actually the need isn t quite as great as I originally thought, but it does exist. Stubs that could/shoud go into a Children s books stub include: *Mrs. Piggle Wiggle *Peter Rabit *Dr. Doolittle s Return *And to think that I saw it on Mulberry street *Happy birthday Cookie Monster *My friend Flicka *Good dog Carl *The Boxcar Children *Bunnicula *The Giving Tree

:And I m sure that there were some that I missed. 06:49, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

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03:45, May 11, 2005 (UTC) :A good idea. it ties in with some of the things discussed at 05:33, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

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I was having a look at some of the Dune characters stubs and categorised them as book-stub (before I saw there was already a dune-stub proposal here) however I was wondering if it might be useful if there was a stub cat for fictional characters that aren t in books/films/tv shows big enough to have their own stub categories -- 16:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC) :I toyed with this one in the past (it was proposed a couple of months back), but edged away from the idea when I realised how many categories it would cut across (book, film, tv, sf, fantasy, cvg...) if there was a way of separating them out (perhaps fictbio-book-stub and fictbio-film-stub) 02:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC) ::It is not like the stub doesn t cut across a lot of categories. Granted, that is how we got into the mess we are currently in, but still, it is better for a person to sort something into a generic stub category than to have them simply stick at the bottom of it and be done. Taking this one step further: semi-specific stub categories, such as the one proposed, will take the load off of the semi-generic stub categories, like the one I already mentioned. 06:29, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

==bio-fict-stub==

Just been counting up the lit-stubs to add the total to the Stub-types list, and I noticed a lot of stubs for fictional characters. Would a fictional biography stub template (bio-fict-stub, fict-bio-stub, fict-char-stub or similar) be useful to anyone And which is the best name for it 04:37, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Would existing templates like and and each of their sub-categories account for some of these 23:47, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC) **Some, perhaps, but there s a whole slew of Catch 22 characters, for instance, and detectives, and a handful of Dickens characters. It might be better to go the other way and put fictional people from sf-stub and fantasy-stub in bio-fict-stub too (and maybe, if there are enough of them, split bio-fict-stub in three at a later date). Of course, there s also the problem of whether to include fictional characters from films and TV, or just stick with books... 00:53, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC) **Update: Mmm. This probably needs more thought before being enacted. Unless anyone else wants to take this one and run with it, perhaps it should be shelved for a later date 08:21, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think we definitely need a fiction-stub template to cover various fictional things/whathaveyou that aren t SF or fantasy. -- 01:34, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Do we have enough entries to support a stub category for Digimons

= *Created* and =

Generalized replacements for and . would go under History and parallel or . would go into the Religion/faiths/myths grouping. -- 01:28, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

:I don t think we should leave it quite that open. Native American can mean anything from Inuit to Patagonian, so there needs to be more of a breakdown there. Also, there are 26 Maya and 89 Aztec mythology articles in their corresponding catagories, and I suspect that many if not most of these are stubs and substubs. It seems we could use individual stub classes for these, even though the Inca may need to wait. -- 03:21, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Perhaps for the Mexican cultures and their mythology combined, and I suppose we could group everything else into (maybe) just until the need to break it down is greater. -- 03:34, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mmm. Don t really like America-stub for a name. Too generic - you ll have people putting US-geo-stubs and US-politicians in there, to start with. Why not start with (or even just ) as your main parent, then have , , etc as the subcategories If it becomes necessary to break it down into regions, then do so like this:

* ** *(*) ** * ** * **

** ** ** **

...so that every subcat is cross-referenced to both race and type of stub. (*) I admit that this nomenclature becomes a problem: is there a set way of splitting up north American native races (e.g., Pacific, Great Plains, Southeast), or should all these groups be lumped together as First nation or similar

01:14, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Ohh, this is good. But we probably don t need to break it down so much yet. -- 20:06, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

=Public-Transport=

*Might be an idea under Transportation. Unless there is opposition I ll add it to the hierarchy. -- 17:39, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)

*There would seem to be significant overlap between public transport as a behavior-based class of transportation and several of the vehicle/mode-based classes like 01:36, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)

*The stub would mostly include stations, lines, owners and details about a specific occurence of public transports atc., probably not technical terms. -- 20:01, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

Good idea, use for pages where none of the Transportation stubs can be used or more than one could be used. 15:20, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Like 09:20, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)