WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria/Creations

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=Animal-stub subcategories=

There are currently something like 1300 articles listed in 13:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

**A good idea, but maybe worth starting with one or two of the obviously big groups first, rather than doing all of them at once. That will avoid creating stub categories when there aren t many stubs (when you remove, say, birds, insects and mammals, you might find there aren t many worms or arthropods in there). 13:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I would propose a as a sub-group as well; all these dinosaurs et. al. would be more appreciated if there were listed as such, and so receive much more attention... and concerning the proposition above: and for starters, perhaps 14:12, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*I have looked through the first hundred or so articles listed in to see which groups were commonest there. I have probably made lots of errors, but the groups with more than 5 members in that 100-odd seem to be: :*Mammals (a huge group, even without breeds of domestic animals) :*Fish :*Birds :*Reptiles (excluding dinosaurs) :*Dinosaurs :*Insects :*Arthropods (excluding insects) :There was only one amphibian among them, and few worms, jellyfish, starfish, molluscs, etc. Would it be better to have dinosaurs and insects as subcategories of reptiles and arthropods respectively, as would be logical, or to keep them as equal to the others, because of the numbers of articles involved -- 15:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::Might I suggest simplifying things a little by having Mammals, Fish, Birds, Reptiles, Prehistoric animals*, and Invertebrates This gets around two problems: 1) people putting non-dinosaurs (such as pteranodon, plesiosaurus and dimetrodon) into a category simply by not realising the difference, and 2) allowing arthropods, insects and things like worms all to go into one slightly larger category. 06:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) :*Instead of Invertebrates , I would suggest for insects and arthropods. This will prevent jellyfish and other aquatic invertebrates from being grouped with land dwelling insects. -- 11:46, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC) ::* I disagree (quite strongly). Bug , as well as being an Americanism for any arthropod, is also a globally-accepted term referring solely to 08:04, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) *I have created , , (for reptiles and amphibians ), and . I think they work, but it s something I ve never done before, so please correct them if necessary. -- 10:24, 3 May 2005 (UTC) **Should 13:08, 3 May 2005 (UTC) ***No, because some microorganisms are protists and archaea and bacteria and fungi, which aren t animals. So we have a little problem--some small animals (like 21:45, 4 May 2005 (UTC) ***(truncated contribution) Microorganisms include all sorts of non-animal life forms, so I don t think they belong in invertebrates (even though none of them has a spinal column!). -- 07:32, 4 May 2005 (UTC) ****Would it be possible to create a redirect that s shorter than Something like I find myself skipping invertebrates instead of reclassifying them because of the length of the stub name. So I m lazy. Sue me. 21:45, 4 May 2005 (UTC) *****As a redirect, it wouldn t bother me. I deliberately chose not to name it in the first place because a) that seemed too colloquial, and b) invert has many meanings, the abbreviation for invertebrate being only one. I suppose it wasn t very likely that people would use it as a category for upside-down things, but I didn t feel like taking that risk. Consider it done. -- 07:34, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

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I propose an Arch-stub for architectural terms and building types and features. Currently there are just over 50 stubs in 11:00, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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As a subcategory of ( Sarah ) 03:54, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) :I went ahead and created (which is currently worded so that it can go for all musical groups; the category is ( Sarah ) 22:53, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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The stub category is curently at 11 pages and growing. Before it becomes the next , I propose two subdivisions: # for banks, brokerage houses, insurance companies, and other finacial businesses. # for retail businesses. -- 14:33, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC) *There are certainly a huge number of bank stubs, and the parent cat does need splitting. You;d have to be careful with the wording of retail-stub though, to make it clear that it is the shops not the products 00:41, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) **I had planned on This

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isn t just for banks; it covers any financial institution (insurance, stockbrokers, etc.). But is easy to remember, so we stub-sorters use that instead of or something. 19:33, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

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I would like to propose the implementation of 00:54, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC) :: I hadn t thought of it, really: my mind was really on beers and breweries. Upon consideration, however, I suppose that it might include such articles if they relate exclusively to beer fermentation, and not just fermentation in general. – 01:14, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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*I was wondering if we could have a biochemistry stub I don t know if this was discussed already, but I think it could better categorize many stubs. A lot of enzymes -- 18:28, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC) *If a biochem stub is added, enzymes, proteins, chemicals with a biochemical purpose (eg. 07:21, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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I m getting fed up with working out whether individual books deserve lit-stub or not. I m sure that there are enough of them for a separate book-stub. Thoughts yay or nay 12:44, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Yay. Analogous to and 13:14, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC) *Yes, please. Anything to get lit-stub down to a more manageable size. - ( Sarah ) 17:57, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) **Okay - I realise this has only been here a couple of days, but I went ahead anyway - there is now 02:15, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC) ***Problem: it seems that Book-stub was already there - a redirect to Lit-stub. It may be that a check will need to be made on the articles currently in book-stub to make sure they are not general literature articles! ****I ve looked over the list and they seem to all be books (except a couple that I removed). Some of them may be better sorted elsewhere, though. (For example, fantasy-genre books are likely to receive more attention in the fantasy category.) - ( Sarah ) 02:59, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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The creation of this as a merger of Angel- and Buffy-stubs is done. 03:07, 2005 Mar 29 (UTC)

== Created== A part of the Transportation stubs. There are ones for trams, Vans and Railways. See 17:08, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Proposed subdivision of .

I have been noticing a number of stubs are for people who gained notability for their efforts in the world of business (corporate executives, entrepreneurs, and the like). This stub category is proposed to hold such persons. -- 18:36, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

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not discussed before, there are numerous stubby weather articles without labels, or are labeled as sci-stub or geo-stubs *Wrong name Use meteo-stub (meteorology) over weather-stub. -- 17:39, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC) **Nobody is going to remember meteo-stub. Either make it meteorology-stub or weather-stub. When a topic stub is created, it has to be easy to remember or it will never be used. 09:08, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) ***I favour weather-stub. Okay, it may not be as precise a term as meteorology-stub, but it s a hell of a lot easier to both spell and type! 08:08, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) ***Hmm, what about met-stub People talk about the met.office, so it shouldn t be too hard to remember... 08:23, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Someone has already put up 17:38, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC) ::Good template, awkward category name. - ( Sarah ) 01:38, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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To include: general climate phenomena, specific types of climate, seasons, climate zones, methods, personalities, associations, broadcasters (like The Weather Channel ), specific named weather events.

To exclude: specific named events such as named hurricanes (though hurricane is a perfect topic), the 2004 Tsunami (though tsunami as a topic, yes), the Blizzard of 98 (though blizzard conditions and factors leading to blizzards and their severity, yes).

Implications: no future weatherman stub category or cloudforms stub category ; possible future hurricanes by name or climate events by name , climate events by year , etc. stub categories.

:: this type of detail of what s in, what s out, and what the implications are, might be helpful for more specific stub categorization with less inter-operator variability. Thoughts :: 03:29, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC) :::Is there any particular reason why the weather category shouldn t include specific instances of weather (If it starts to get over-crowded with hurricanes, we can create a separate sub-category for them, of course.) - ( Sarah ) 03:43, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::::Not particularly, except I was thinking of them as either a) historical events or b) geographical items ... however, it does make sense to start out with them generally included ... changed above. 04:10, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC) ::Phew - since I added at least one Hurricane stub to that category earlier today, I m quite pleased! (I purged geo-term-stub of all weather related items and put them in the new category). 04:16, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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And then there s colour/color (hence col-stub!). 05:34, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) :To be adopted by the newly-created 10:08, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

I have remade the template per and created the stub category. I ve also redirected col-stub to color-stub. 23:51, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

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The 22:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC) *It is likely that would be confused with with people unsure of the difference between programming and software. I would recommend using for computer science related stubs. 00:31, May 3, 2005 (UTC) **Good idea, I just changed the proposal. – 22:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

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This would be a place for any 01:45, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) :It should be named differently, since craters on on Earth go into their respective geo-stub subcategory. Maybe --  22:45, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::Not all stub names are perfect; is for politics in democracies in general, for instance. I used crater because, when people think of off-planet feature, they think of craters. But the text in the template would be This article about a geological feature of the Solar System not on Earth is a stub... Crater is just an easily-remembered tag for those of us categorizing stubs. 00:02, 1 May 2005 (UTC) :I m pretty strongly against the name astro-geo-stub, since all the geo-stubs relate to places on earth - after all, that s what geo means (I know astro means star, but it has a much wider general meaning, too). Technically, you should never talk about the geography of another planet (It s selenography for the moon, and IIRC areaography and cythereography for Mars and Venus). using geo for that is about as bad as the idea of using bug for invertebrates mentioned in a previous section. 01:43, 1 May 2005 (UTC) ::Oops, got geology and geography mixed up. How embarrassing... But I m still against . Maybe --  04:54, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

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dance = dance-stub dance stub has been made - thanks Bluemoose 15:47, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

**I moved this from ( Sarah ) 18:01, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) Dance etiquette, Dance marathon i would like to see dance go into art/artists, but i dont think others would agree. **I definitely support this. I don t think there are enough for 100 (but there might be), but they don t fit well into anything else and there are definitely quite a few of them. You could put it under art as a subcategory, but putting dance articles under art (without a more specific tag) would be confusing. - ( Sarah ) 20:05, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

p.s. there are lots more examples for all these, as i am sure a lot of you are aware, and also i have no idea how to make a stub category, so if any of these are approved, could someone more experienced do the honours thanks in advance. Bluemoose 17:08, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

**sounds like a reasonable request. I m sure that I or one of the others would be happy to. 00:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Fantasy genre that is, in parallel to . ( Sarah ) 01:30, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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This should probably be a more general clothing-stub rather than fashion-stub. 13:27, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Let s not forget the purpose of stubs here; flag articles that could be expanded. How much is there to say about purses, arm warmers, girdles, sneakers or bras Short article does not equal stub and stubs don t replace categories. Not only do you not have anywhere near a 100 articles to create a new category, it s probably going to be extremely difficult to expand them. -- 21:02, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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As a subcategory of which , with its 28 sub-categories, would be the target for expanded articles. :Proposed stub name: :Proposed stub category: :Proposed stub icon: a squared circle a compass a canted grid 06:56, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC)

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jobs/industry = job-stub

**Definitely. I was thinking of suggestion occu-stub myself, but job-stub is a better name. 05:58, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Based on the rate of potential classification to this stub I ve found in going through -A- general med-stubs, I m going to create this template and category and place it on the stub types listing. This will be and 18:50, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)

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I m beginning to wonder whether a currency and coinage stub (money-stub) would make a good subcategory of econ-stub, for articles like 09:36, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Good one; would be a place to put obsolete-denomination articles, too. 19:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Another subdivision on music-stub. I didn t create it because there aren t that many opera stubs, and a classical-composition-stub would be more useful (there are much more of those, including operettas). Still, it would be big enough to be of some use to a WikiProject or other interested parties. Any comments --  18:23, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support classical-composition-stub.— 18:33, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support keeping opera-stub and also creating classical-composition-stub for non-opera works. (I created the category and template.) I plan to work to improve the opera stubs and also create many stubs for operas that I know only a bit about, but hope that others can add information on. I know that there are opera-buffs out there who are willing to help me in this project. I have not created a WikiProject yet on this, but would be willing to do so. -- 20:37, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

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For drugs and other things related to pharmacology. I have already created the stub (and its articles), because I haven t seen the instructions before. If anyone objects or if there are procedural problems, remove it of course. The proposed template would be , as this is unambiguous and easy to remember. -- 21:29, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC) *You already know of the existence of the 23:44, 2005 Mar 24 (UTC) **Yes, however this limits the scope of 14:36, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC) *I removed 16:07, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)

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How about to start breaking up (Obviously some writers who write poetry would still fit better under writers in general.) And/or to start breaking up - ( Sarah ) 00:20, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC) :I went ahead and did because I found some stubs that I wanted to categorize and I didn t want to be recategorizing them in a couple of days. Do we want to separate poets from poetry in general, or would it make more sense to but both int he same category (I m leaning toward the latter at the moment.) - ( Sarah ) 02:05, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

=Poli-stubs=

A suggestion... once we ve all stopped sifting through the bio and geo stubs, the next section that might be worth a look is poli-stubs. there are over 2000 of them. A rough estimate is that about 1/4 of those are political parties and movements, which could possibly do with their own stub category. other than that, it may be another case of sorting by country. Any thoughts 10:20, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Currently consumer goods and services and combined into with the business entities that provide them. This proposed substub would allow for a division between consumer products and the corporations that make them. -- 12:56, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC) :Sounds like a good move to me. I ve always been a bit iffy about putting brand names under corp-stub. 01:16, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Ooops, I m sorry; I only discovered this page after I d created the stub. I did it because there was nothing appropriate for articles related to radio programmes (obviously). If it needs to be deleted until after discussion, could some friendly admin do that please 12:23, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC) :I d actually considered suggesting something like this one myself - but it needs to be made clear that it is for radio programmes and not radio stations (which are already covered by 12:37, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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As a way to segregate 03:17, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)

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Another hopefully useful new stub template added: , for articles on Rocketry and/or Spacecraft. 10:51, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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We ve got an Ancient Egypt stub, and there seem to be a LOT of Ancient Rome stubs, most of which are either getting put in the various european geo-stub categories or into bio-stub. I reckon a Roman-stub or Romanus-stub might not be a bad idea (not Rome-stub, just in case someone wants to sort stubs on the city. Egypt-stub, for ancient Egypt, was an unfortunate name). There might be enough for Ancient Greece to get a stub too, but Rome seems to crop up more often. 10:10, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Can we merge ( and ) these into one ( Sarah ) 00:31, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Makes sense, in New Zealand we call Rugby Union Rugby , and Rugby League League 03:02, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I know this was a case of be bold rather than follow procedure , but I noticed that most of the rugby-stubs were actually rugby league stubs, so I made RugbyLeague-stub, shifted everything over, then deleted Rugby-stub. All articles should say on them somewhere whether they relate to Union or League, so hopefully it will be obvious which of the two templates to use. If this was a bad move, and a merge is better, then merge is still possible from here. 09:17, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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I mentioned this need for this here (came across a lot of these while re-sorting people stubs), but failed to notice there was a formal proposal process -- my bad. So consider this a proposal to retro-approve this, forgive my procedural lapse, and correct the various wiki errors I ve made in creating the template . (But be gentle, it s my first time...) 04:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Created to solve several multi-stubbing problems with eastern European history articles (one of which was listed as a history-stub, lithuania-stub, belarus-stub, ukraine-stub AND russia-stub!) and because template seems too broad to the editors. Eastern Slavic history stubs cover mainly three East Slavic nations: Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, and, to a lesser degree, events related to the history of Lithuania and, sometimes, Poland (because there was an extended period when Poland and/or Lithuania politically dominated some of what s now Russia, Ukraine and Belarus). The stubs should apply to the articles related to the time when Russia, Ukraine and Belarus didn t yet form as nations of their own out of 04:48, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

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Special case here. I did not know about this page until after I made the stub so this is more like a notification. :Proposed stub name: :Proposed stub category: Category:Scientist_stub :Proposed stub icon: Einstein It is a stub for biographical articles about scientists Rationale: There are currently lot of articles marked stub or science stub that could be classified as Sientists stub. -- 01:11, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Is it just my (admittedly warped) imagination, or do there seem to be a lot of sexual practice related stubs around I m not even sure what you d call the stub category, since it ranges from 01:41, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Yes, there are lots of them and they become more prominent as more items are sorted out of general-stub. A stub category congruent with 02:16, 2005 Feb 19 (UTC) ::Ah... useful. Shame it wasn t listed anywhere! 02:56, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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sociology = socio-stub

:some (but not all) of these could qualify under psych-stub (including Johari Window!) 06:38, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Now that the geo-stubs are organised by country, I d suggest that it would make more sense to organise buildings and structures by that method than by type of structure. It seems logical to me that someone living in a particular area would have more resources to find out about the structures in that area than they would to find out about all bridges worldwide, say. Given that there are about 500 struct-stub articles, I m not proposing the large numbers of subcategories that there are for the now over 5000 geo-stubs, but having the following three might be very useful: US-struct-stub, UK-struct-stub, and Euro-struct-stub. Each of those would have at least 50-100 articles. Any others subcategories would only be considered by me if there were more than about 50 from a particular area (Canada might just scrape in, I d have to check). Any thoughts 11:45, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

A quick sample suggests around 170 UK, 110 US, and 60 European struct-stubs, with 160 from elsewhere.

:Sounds logical. They could be listed under country-(geo)-stubs and structure-stubs by categories. Go ahead. (don t forget to edit the final hierarchy accordingly) -- 14:12, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

I forgot to add - this doesn t mean that types of structures (such as the museum-stub) aren t also useful. There s nothing to stop a museum in London, say, from being both a UK-struct-stub and a museum-stub, in the same way that a Swedish writer might be both a writer stub and a Sweden-related stub. That way it would feed subcategories of UK-geo-stub, and struct-stub, and museum articles. In fact subcategorising them by region might make it more apparent what types of structures the stub articles are about (I d be able to tell if there were lots of bridges or stadia, for instance) 22:26, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Update: As things stand, there s two days before I start on this... I ve looked at all the articles currently in and the breakdown is as follows: :Total 496 stubs :UK 149 (30%) :US 128 (26%) :Europe 79 (16%) :Asia 47 (9%) :Canada 27 (5%) :All other locations 15 (3%) :Architecture-related 51 (10%) No doubt there are others within the various geo-stub categories as well. With those figures, I intend to make a UK-struct-stub, a US-struct-stub, and a Euro-struct-stub, to be subcategories of their respective geo-stub categories and of the B&S-stub category. I ll also propose now (below) an Arch-stub for architectural terms and building types and features (see below). 10:51, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

:Update: I have today created , , and . I have also entered them into the hierarchy at the top of the page. NB: in doing so, I have also moved building and structure stubs to under geography stubs in the hierarchy, since that is the more logical place for it. (If I was wrong to do that, then feel free to move it back!) 05:54, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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(started life as proposal for Created== As a subcategory of which, with its child-categories, would be the target for expanded articles. :Proposed stub name: :Proposed stub category: :Proposed stub icon: picture of a pill 06:29, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC) :Does that include drugs If so and excluding drugs, could the category have >100 stubs If not, perhaps we should make a drug stub. -- 03:21, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::Yes, I was thinking it to include drugs. I m not sure without drugs if it would reach >100 stubs or not. I made a comment about deletion of a drugs_list category a bit ago which would clarify my thinking a bit; see 03:46, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)

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I went ahead and created a new stub template and category to allow reduction of stub numbers in the television stubs category. The new items are has >800 stubs in it and b) a large % of those stubs relate to television series. :Last update on stub counts ... 03:32, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC) :It might not be a bad idea to break up the TV series category while it s still a remotely manageable size. - ( Sarah ) 20:49, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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There are now three and a half thousand UK-geo-stubs. There s also already a NI-geo-stub for Northern Ireland. A logical solution would be to make stubs for Wales and Scotland, to at least ease the strain on the main category (if there s a London WikiProject, then that could probably be pared off, too). Thoughts 07:18, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Whoof. I d suggest all three of those then, and just for starters. This ll almost certainly leave 2000+ in UK though -- perhaps also 03:58, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC) *UPDATE: I have created and for Wales and Scotland respectively. Since I realise that these are easy for converting from UK-geo-stub, but not so easy for new creation from scratch, I ve also added two redirected templates at and . I ve left any other subdivisions like London for now. Is there a London WikiProject If so it might be worth adding that too. 02:25, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) **There is indeed a 05:14, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) **OK, I shall add as well before I go any further. You re right about the order of redirect and standard. The reason I ve done it that way is that - for the sake of my hands - I will be using UKS and UKW as I go through the parent category, so chances are the first few hundred in each category will have those template links. I don t know whether that makes any difference as far as the servers are concerned, but if it does, I don t want to cause them any more strain than I have to!. 05:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) ***Good point. Can always swap them around if the new stubs ever predominate, I suppose. 05:44, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) *Oddly, about half of what s left seems to be (a) villages in Durham; (b) villages near Daventry, Northants; (c) docks on the Mersey (this group I m moving to UK-struct-stub until someone comes up with somewhere better!). A WikiProject on each of them, and the UK-geo-stub problem would largely disappear! 08:37, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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