WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive1

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We may need this new stub class, re digging holes, not re laying landmines. 06:58, 11 July 2005 (UTC) :Mocved to the right place on the page. Do we really have 60 stubs on mining Can this not be covered by industry-stub for now 07:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

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I just finished weeding the category, bringing it down to around 3 1/2 pages(650), and I see the dire need for the abovementioned stub-cat, thereby relieving the fantasy, sf- and lit categories; it sounds a bit heavy and unwieldy, though. Some ideas 11:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC) :This one was mooted before a couple of months back, and wasn t done then because of cross-category problems. You d have to decide whether you also wanted characters from movies, video games, anime, etc listed in there too. Perhaps would be a better name, or maybe if you were trying to limit the scope of the category. 12:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC) :I ve been doing some work on some RPG listings (notably Hero Games and those connected) and I d like to see a stub area for fictional characters as well. I think would be serviceable, at least until it became obscenely overcrowded. And then again, many characters appear in multiple media. *I think some form of this would be a good idea. I m not sure exatly which version would be best. 21:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

How does sound I was thinking of at first, but that would have probably been taken for 06:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

***I would take to mean a biography of a literary figure, a writer or perhaps a patron of writers, not of a fictional character. I would favor (or if you hate abbrevs) if one wants a general category. foir a category related to characters from written fiction only I would tend to or . I like having fict in the name it matches several other stubs and gets the poitn across quickly, but perhaps has too many parts to the name 17:18, 13 July 2005 (UTC) ****It would have the one advantage that, iuf needed, other stub types could be consistently named with it (, , etc). 01:16, 14 July 2005 (UTC) ***** I m not really happy with this 4-part stub, so I would still opt , even if it does include other fictional characters from games et al. 11:51, 15 July 2005 (UTC) ****** Personally I m not sure that cutting across films / video games / book is really that big a problem given that there are a good number of sci-fi / fantasy characters that appear in various media. Different aspects of the characters, for example if a movie char is completely diff from the book, can be dealt with within the article. -- 12:06, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

== (Created) == In doing some subsorting within and a google search on biography + Book + stub and one on autobiography + Book + stub and one on autobiographical + stub produced the following list of articles that could wll be taged with this new stub tag. More could easily be found.

Dreams Die Hard Sex and the Single Girl Nervous Conditions Bring On the Girls (when written) Emile Save Me the Waltz The Life of Flavius Josephus The English Teacher Papillon (book) Autobiography of a Yogi Everybody s Autobiography My Autobiography (Mussolini) An Autobiography (Nehru) The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin The Autobiography of Charles Darwin The Autobiography of Malcolm X The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas Mary, Queen of Scots (1969 book) Eminent Victorians Life of Johnson The Agony and the Ecstasy Brief Lives Cheaper by the Dozen Disco Bloodbath Hello, I Must Be Going! (biography) Marquis Who s Who Prithvirajaraso The Real Lincoln The Secret Life Of A Satanist Who s Who (UK) Wild Swans On Famous Women

the above by **Ooops sorry I forgot to sign this. 17:26, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, I ve been doing the whole book-stub list, but refrained to sort them into the nonfiction category, so I would go along with with you here; I don t think there is a need for an , though. This said, I ve haven t the faintest idea how to name it 06:20, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

**The reason I sugested a separate stub type for autobiographies was that I seemed to encounter about as many autobiography stubs as stubs about regular biographies, and we have separate categories for the non-stub articles, as i mentioned above. We could certianly start with and split if we feel a need later. 17:26, 13 July 2005 (UTC) *Whatever is decided, note needs to be taken of oir whatever it s to be called, immediately above here. We don t want to get the two mixed up! 01:18, 14 July 2005 (UTC) **Absolutely. The two should work together. With luck they will make it possible to clear out book-stub quite a bit. 15:44, 14 July 2005 (UTC) *Along with this, should there be a stub type for historical novels I have noticed a fair number of them in book-stub, although i haven t done a count yet. I note that 19:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I concur with this; Proposal : let s have a go with and perhaps (btw, I don t see a problem there to include nonfiction historical books; there aren t that many around anyway) I won t be online for 2 days, though 11:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I created the above stub type since there seems no objectiosn, and went through the above list of articles. More will no doubt be added to this type shortly. Now what do people think about

The above by 12:12, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

:I m not entirely convinced about having historical fiction and history texts in the same category... is there any way of avoiding that 00:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

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How about a stub which will deal contain various units articles, like .

My motivation would be that units are not exactly numbers. Opinions 22:34, 15 July 2005 (UTC) :This already exists as - not the best name, but it covers things like units of measurement, ISO codes, and test specifications. 02:34, 16 July 2005 (UTC) :: Well, that would not apply to old units of weight and such. I think a units-stub would be more appropriate. 06:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC) :Actually, it does apply - just because they re not current standards doesn t mean they weren t once - if you have a look in the category you ll find lots of units in there ( 06:57, 16 July 2005 (UTC) :Update: I ve sent Standard-stub and its category across to sfd for possible renaming to measurement-stub, which should more unambiguously cover units. 08:45, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

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: moved to the correct place - this was up at the top of the July section There are so many 01:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC) :There are What is a google stub - a stub relating to Google Can there possibly be more than a handful of these I don t think I ve ever seen any... 05:38, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

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I created this before I even knew we were supposed to ask first - sorry. Giving everyone a heads-up about it here so it can be properly discussed. Basically, I wanted to know more about 02:08, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Comment: Here are some candidates, all drawn from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Accounting Category:Accounting], and which either I have judged to be stubs or have already been marked as econ-stubs. *Account *Accounting information system *Accounts payable *Accounts receivable *Annual report *Appreciation *Association of Chartered Certified Accountants *Assurance services *Audit Bureau of Circulations *Audit committee *Audit regime *Bad debt *Balance sheet *Big Four auditors *Bill (payment) *Cash flow *Cash flow statement *Certified Management Accountant *Certified general accountant *Chinese accounting standards *Controller (accounting) *Corporate action *Cost accrual ratio *Cost centre *Cost of goods sold (currently proposed for merger with Cost of sales) *Credit Memo *Creditor *Cultural references to accountants *Current asset *Current liability -- 02:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC) :And that looks like just A-C. If the rest of the alphabet have that many, I don t see any problem. Anyone else 09:53, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

:This was added to the stub types list today by 20:26, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

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I changed the main category of this stub from 21:11, 20 July 2005 (UTC) :Seems like a reasonable move - although I don t suppose there s any reason why it can t feed into both... 01:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC) ::Which is probably why you have an MSc. in psychology instead of computer science ;) -- 01:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC) :Point taken :) 05:17, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

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I noticed that 00:23, 24 July 2005 (UTC) :I m rather keen to get started on this, are there any objections to me doing so -- 20:13, 29 July 2005 (UTC) ::There haven t been any since you rased the idea, so it seems fairly safe to say go for it! :::I m glad you said that, since I d already started by the time you said that I think ;) There were 595 (updated, I d missed some! -- 18:12, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

=Wisconsin stubs=

In line with current stub architecture, I propose creating as a subcategory of the existing . This will also act as a subcategory for so that stubs on Wisconsin geographical features will not have to have both tags. The newly-formed 00:04, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

:Sounds reasonable. -- 05:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC) ::Comment - last count showed just 39 Wisconsin-geo-stubs in the US midwest category, but there is a WP. 06:00, 25 July 2005 (UTC) :::Update - since that tally was done a month ago the number has risen to a much healthier 67 in the Midwest geo-stub category. 13:31, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

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I d like to recommend the creation of this stub. Responding to : # No current stub exists to cover this topic. # Horse racing would be a well defined stub area; anything horse racing related (such as tracks, horses, trainers, etc) could qualify. # The new category would cover some areas of existing stubs, and create a well-defined stub category area. # I expect the stub category to potentially cover hundreds of stubs over the long term. Near term, I found quite a few candidates from . # The new stub would not overlap with other stubs; no existing stub does anything like a good job of addressing this stub category. # I believe the new stub will significantly reduce , and reduce confusion about stub sorting of a variety of article types including horses, tracks, and people related to horse racing. I was motivated to recommend this stub when I found 19:17, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

may be to generic, but it would be the one to use here; may be to specific, but would something like do 10:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

:*Perhaps, but I m thinking that s still too generic. Equestrian sports covers a very, very large area well in excess of the horse racing sub set. There are thousands of farms dedicated to breeding, raising, and training horses for sporting events that do not involve racing. Similarly, there are many events of this type (think 13:45, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

We must keep in mind that a stub is an editing aid (Imho), and so is needed only when the amount of stubs pertaining to it reach a certain level (about 60-100), so you can t count the articles that may be created in the future. Btw, the jockeys may go in the 13:59, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

::*In my response to (4) above, I noted that I found many candidates. I had considered going through all those horses to find stub candidates that would fit the criteria for this stub, and that s just horses. I didn t do that because it was so time consuming an endeavour. Are you suggesting I do that to support creation of this stub template I can assure you I can find plenty of stubs that would fit within this category. I would hope you re not suggesting I find at least 60 candidates before we can define this stub. -- 16:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC) ::*I went ahead and compiled a list of existing candidate articles for this stub. You may view the list at 21:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC) ::*In response to the suggestion of using for jockeys: Yes, that s true. I think in the future there will be room for , but there s not enough articles to support that at this time. So, the jockey bios should, at a minimum, go into as you suggest. However, they will be hopelessly lost in the quagmire that is that category, which currently has 1800+ articles. Having this proposed stub would help to direct efforts on these articles. -- 21:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC) ::*I would also like to point out 21:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC) :::* I suppose 01:27, 27 July 2005 (UTC) ::::* Yes, Newbury Racecourse would qualify for the stub. The has ~765 stubs in it. That s a bit unwieldy. Adding a would help gain focus on articles within the UK stub that are horse racing related. I m concerned about being far too expansive to be a reasonable stub category. There are millions upon millions of horses in the world. Only a small percentage of those are involved in racing, yet the racing area is large enough in itself to warrant a stub (as observed by the sub page where I noted 140 articles that would qualify for ). I fear creating without at least creating would be like creating a notional and insisting all baseball, basketball, American football, football, rugby, tennis and more stubs be included in it. It would be unfocused. -- 02:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC) : Something is definitely needed. At the moment, racecourses tend to get geo-stub or struct-stub, and I ve even had to resort to giving famous racehorses bio-stub before now. Trouble with the term equestrian is that it brings to mind show-jumping rather than horse racing. For that reason I d prefer , with a possible subsidiary which - if cleverly worded - could accommodate both the people and the horses involved. 02:20, 27 July 2005 (UTC) :*I concur with your statements regarding equestrian vs. horseracing. See my notes above also, where I noted 02:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC) , not (my fault). But it should still be something shorter. jockey-stub makes sense, but cuts out trainers etc... how about and Or is that too ambiguous 10:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

... turf does seem ambiguous. The term turf is used in other sports as well. For example, 13:49, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I ve done considerably more work on 18:16, 29 July 2005 (UTC) :OK - I think we re all convinced :). 01:50, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

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01:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

:I would like to have this, and the one below. 11:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Created. -- 05:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

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Similar reasoning as for ; I d guess there s atleast 100 stubs that d go in here. -- 01:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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I would like to propose a biography stub, specifically for the people of Ireland. I ve come across a few articles deserving of such a stub, such as 01:50, July 27, 2005 (UTC) :Sounds perfectly reasonable, as long as it can be well populated (which I should think qould be no trouble). Surprised it hasn t already been made, in fact. 02:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC) ::Thanks for the support! I found two more candidates: 05:18, July 27, 2005 (UTC) ::: I would say: green lights; btw, 06:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, my fault, I was thinking of

There s another one at

:::Thank you so much! 08:28, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

::::Since there haven t been any objections, can I go ahead and create it 07:31, August 1, 2005 (UTC) ::It s supposed to be a week of debate, but if anyone was going to object chances are they d have done so by now, so I don t think there d be much concern with it being done 36 hours early. Use one of the other bio-stub categories and templates as, erm, templates for what to do (one like Norway-bio-stub looks well formed), and remember to add it to 08:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

:::Thanks. :P 10:20, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

*Created. It took an hour for me to figure out what I was doing. :) 11:05, August 1, 2005 (UTC)